Posted on 11/04/2005 7:44:45 AM PST by shhrubbery!
Paul Vallely, on air last night on the John Batchelor show, said he met Joe Wilson in 2002 in the "green room" of a cable network's studio.
Both Vallely and Wilson were waiting to go on air. Wilson, at that time, was packaging himself as an expert on Iraq.
Vallely said that since he and Wilson found they had some acquaintances in common, they began talking. In the course of the conversation, Wilson told Vallely that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.
This conversation, Vallely said, took place in 2002, several months before Plame's alleged "outing" at the hands of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, via Robert Novak's column published July 14, 2003.
Vallely also said that his impression of Joe Wilson, at that time, was that Wilson was a "self-promoter" who was making the rounds of the news programs, likely in advance of publishing a book.
[Note: Vallely's link on the John Batchelor Show website (scroll down to "Paul Vallely" under heading "Current Intelligence") does not carry this report, at least not yet. Link at this time goes to Joe Wilson: Lying About Iraqi Uranium.]
I'm sure there are many more witnesses to to come forward.
It's not THAT simple. When reporters first called the CIA to ask if Valerie worked there, they were not given a cover for her, they just said YES! The CIA in not bothering to pretend she didn't exist, outed her themselves! They aren't stupid, they must have wanted her outed and a story to break....
That was such a crock way to approach it anyway: in these yuppie Washington metro area neighborhoods, NOBODY knows much about their neighbors or where they work.
Even if they socialize somewhat, there's a tendency to not ask questions about work, etc. And so many people work for the government, even if you do hear CIA, you don't think spook.
Especially if you KNOW someone works at the CIA. Then you think desk jockey, because if they were covert you wouldn't hear "CIA."
So that whole line of questioning by Fitzie was just plain dumb.
Why was he asking the soccer moms? Does he really think that is who a guy like Whore Wilson would try to impress with his wife's spookiness?
No. Whore Wilson would drop names with the Washington movers and shakers, to whatever extent he had access to them. Such as other people in the green room. Reporters. Campaign staffers and political operatives. Book publishers.
Did you ask those people, Fitzie, or only the guy down the street who MAYBE waves at the Wilsons once a year as he pulls out his driveway at 5:30 a.m. for his morning commute?
True. The only problem is that Loftus (whom some here call a certifiable loon) is a BIG buddy of Joe Wilson's.
So up until recently, we've heard a lot of Loftus's spouting Wilson's lies for him on that show.
Last week --before the lone indictment of Libby-- Loftus was heatedly insisting that Dick Cheney would be forced to resign over the Plame affair!
I think that absurd prediction ticked Batchelor off, and he called Loftus on the carpet over Wilson's lies a couple of nights ago.
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This conversation, Vallely said, took place in 2002, several months before Plame's alleged "outing" at the hands of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, via Robert Novak's column published July 14, 2003.
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Does anyone see the word "entrapment" comes into play?
yes, you are correct. I haven't listened to the show lately, is there any more talk of the french forgeries?
I agree. And not only that, but waiting TWO YEARS before asking the neighbors what they knew about Plame...is two years too late.
I mean, Wilson apparently only sent out FBI agents the first time to interview neighbors, just last week -- only days before the indictment.
So neighbors' memories might have been colored by all the subsequent publicity. Not to mention, probably everybody in Lyin' Joe's neighborhood is a limousine liberal just dying to see the president impeached over the "outing" -- which might have influenced the stories they told investigators.
Looks like Joe Wilson is the whore of the family.
"When Mr. Novak called the agency to verify Ms. Plame's employment, it not only [verified her employment], but failed to go beyond the perfunctory request not to publish!" They didn't ask Novak, "Hey, don't publish this." They told him: Yup, she works here. Yup, she's Wilson's wife. Yup, you ahead and print it if you want. "Every experienced Washington journalist knows that when the CIA really does not want something public, there are serious requests from the top, usually the director. Only the press office talked to Mr. Novak," and if they don't want something public the odds are it won't be made public, unless somebody in there leaks it or wants it leaked. - Rush Limbaugh
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_110305/content/rush_prediction_.guest.html
The Fitzmas indictment issued against Libby last Friday states that Valerie's employment with CIA was classified "SECRET" until July 14, 2003 (date of Novak column).
Let us hope Libby's defense calls General Vallely as a witness as to how widespread her affiiation was made known and by whom and when.
General Vallely is certainly a straight shooter...always enjoy his commentary.
What is a "conspiracy theorist"?
You indicated you believe there was a conspiracy to trash "W" and his foreign policy, so is it a fact or not?
In other words, if you think there is a conspiracy, but you can't prove it just now, isn't it then just a theory?
Seems to me you just like parroting lines from the liberal MSM without knowing what they mean.
How about "extreme right wing"? Think there is any accuracy in that phrase?
That may be the case. However Libby was indicted for perjury. It wouldn't matter when or where he heard of Plame, if he lied to a Grand Jury about it.
Move over Martha.
Water is wet, the sky is blue, and DC turnstiles lie. The obvious is clear. Cry me a river.
This may be huge for Libby
Yes, they did a lot on that story last night.
Loftus, apparently being truthful (it's hard to tell) agreed with everyone else on the show that the forgeries were produced by the French.
He said those fabricated docs were intended to look "clumsy" so that they would be obvious forgeries -- and were intended by that very clumsiness to discredit earlier, genuine documents related to Iraq's uranium dealings.
What were the French up to? Loftus says the French had been in the process of selling Saddam components that could be used in the production of WMDs.
To divert attention away from discovery of the French treachery, they came up with the forged documents. They hoped this would have the effect of killing two birds with one stone: (a) diverting attention and (b) hurting George Bush.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf
The indictment.
Note page 3, para 1f.
I think you're right about that.
But, what Vallely knows may have implications for Fitzgerald's "continuing investigation."
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