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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


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To: presently no screen name
The death cult was too much in a party mode to listen or care.

Yep, and it always will be that way.

981 posted on 12/17/2005 2:24:57 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: presently no screen name
Terri makes yet another end of year list:

http://www.skagitvalleyherald.com/articles/2005/12/17/religion/religion01.txt

Now, let the doubters tell us again that she didn't deserve to live. Someone says or types Terri's name thousands of times per day.

Her life and death has upset America's apple cart not because of anything she did but because of what powerful men were willing to do for her husband.

982 posted on 12/17/2005 5:00:55 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: floriduh voter

what powerful men were willing to do for her husband.


Exactly. He couldn't have done it w/o the death cult. His guardianship would have been revoked for starters, years ago.


983 posted on 12/17/2005 7:11:04 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: floriduh voter; All
"I'm not sure the Constitution Party is open for discussion at FR. They have their own web site with all the trimmings."

The Constitution Party, the America First Party, and other conservative parties have to be open to discussion here. The 1st thing on FR's homepage is the statement:

"Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web."

Independent - not tied to any party. These parties are decidedly conservative. So I assume they're open for discussion because I assume the management of FR is being truthful about what FR is.

It would be most unfortunate if the only viewpoints that could be discussed were those of the RNC, the administration, or whatever. Because if that were the case it would make FR just another party mouthpiece shill site, on the order of DU or even TerriPac. I sure would hate for it to be like that.
984 posted on 12/18/2005 2:40:38 AM PST by Wampus SC (Serf City here we come!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
That old purveyor of all the news that fits, the lovable St. Pete Times, is at it again. Cincinatus' Wife brought ought this gem which Wampus SC brought to our attention.

Faith and consequences - What Terri's Law cost the Republicans in Congress

8mm


985 posted on 12/18/2005 3:53:00 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter; Wampus SC
Just when we think the MSM is against us, we hear from Cindy Sheehan via MSNBC/Newsweek.

Awwwww geeee.....

But the peace movement in the U.S. remains small. Why?

One thing that has prevented the peace movement in America is the media. I spoke with 5,000 people in North Carolina on March 19, 2005, and the press called the protest "insignificant." They covered the Terri Schiavo case instead.

Fast Chat: Cindy Sheehan

986 posted on 12/18/2005 4:33:44 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter
>> Pretending to be asleep and walking around doesn't make sense. HINO's still lying about many things but maybe not about finding her in the hall if he had help.

She merely told her friend that she'd be awake. She may have changed her mind, or more likely, just nodded off. That would be perfectly normal. This was the middle of the night, after all. Indeed, it was probably several hours before Michael got home -- the more reason to think she just fell asleep. No new story needed here.

How she got out to the hall is unknown. One obvious possibility is that Michael, nursing his grievances from their fight and coming home in a rage, dragged her out of bed. Or, he may have waked her up and carried on the argument until she said, "Michael, leave me alone, I'm going to sleep on the couch," and he followed her.

987 posted on 12/18/2005 4:35:24 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks for those references.

8mm


988 posted on 12/18/2005 4:37:52 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Re: Your 985. Terri and her mom's picture is prominently featured in Parade Magazine next to the first photo of the prez and Laura. Picture placement put Terri's fight ahead of lots of celebs and issues.

Terri will never be forgotten and evidently, it's not just a few who know this to be self evident.

HINO's picture is NOT in the Parade magazine. He will be featured in the worst husbands of all time issue.

Terri deserved to live, not just get top placement in a photo montage.

989 posted on 12/18/2005 6:58:12 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: syriacus; T'wit; russesjunjee; amdgmary; BykrBayb; 8mmMauser

The mystery intruder was a society run amok. We clearly know that now. Revisiting this, it was truly SCHIAVO-GATE.


990 posted on 12/18/2005 7:00:01 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: 8mmMauser
Gordon Watts did better fighting for Terri than Jeb Bush did. I recvd this email and of course, we recognize that Gordon did well considering he's not an attorney.

Being a "Florida Voter," you have certainly heard of the young man from Florida, Gordon Watts, who lost his bid to save Terri Schiavo's life by a slim 4-3 margin in our State's High Court, right? The relevance of this "story-not-covered-by-WND" is the fact that even the Governor, Jeb Bush, going before the self-same court on the self-same issue (e.g., Terri Schiavo) lost *his* bid by a 7-0 margin slam dunk.

See the Court's official website's comparison between Watts and Jeb Bush:

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/disposition/2004/10/04-925reh.pdf (Bush loses before Florida's High Court:

Rehearing denied 7-0 in case number SC04-925) http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/disposition/2005/2/03-2420reh.pdf (Watts loses before Florida's High Court: Rehearing denied 4-3 in case number SC03-2420)

FV SAYS: All of Terri's supporters are important. However, Gordon Watts filed lawsuits to try to save her. The mystery intruder behind SCHIAVO-GATE: OUR GOVERNMENT fighting the culture of death overseas while embracing it in Florida.

PLEASE lobby federal and state govts. to change the laws since criminal judges are allowed to stay on the bench to continue making death.

www.judgegeorgegreer.com

991 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:40 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: Wampus SC
Did you see Terri and her mom's picture in Sunday's Parade Magazine?

The major criticism I have is that they called it a "right to die" issue. They also failed to mention that Terri is indeed deceased. That's the media for you. The liberals must fight the real conservatives and their argument goes away if too many people find out that Terri's not living.

Have you ever heard a liberal or a democrat besides Michael Schiavo or the ACLU mention that Terri died on March 31st? Of course not. They can't go about attacking the GOP if the GOP didn't actually save her. But, they're going to do it in 2006 anyhow.

992 posted on 12/18/2005 7:41:40 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: pickyourpoison; Dante3; T'wit; wildandcrazyrussian; amdgmary; TheSpottedOwl; Theodore R.; ...
US AG Janet Reno set up spy network against pro-lifers back in the day. Article also mentions WACO and the ACLU.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47940

When Terri's supporters were declared insurgents by J. Greer, I saw how the media reported what the swamp judge told them to. Different administration but same tactics. Remember that Judge Greer is a Republican. It makes me sick.

993 posted on 12/18/2005 7:51:36 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
What is so interesting about Clearwater and home of Judge Greer and those so anxious to see people die? It is a key site of the Scientologists where their many celebrities pass through. One of these is Top Gun Tom Cruise with his mission in life and his music to the ears of the death merchants.

Here are some excerpts:

In his own spiritual life, Cruise has continued to climb the "Bridge to Total Freedom," Scientology's path to enlightenment. International Scientology News, a church magazine, reported last year that the actor had embarked on one of the highest levels of training, "OT VII" — for Operating Thetan VII.

At these higher levels — and at a potential cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars — Scientologists learn Hubbard's secret theory of human suffering, which he traces to a galactic battle waged 75 million years ago by an evil tyrant named Xenu.

According to court documents made public by The Times in the 1980s, Hubbard espoused the belief that Xenu captured the souls, or thetans, of enemies and electronically implanted false concepts in them to keep them confused about his dirty work. The goal of these advanced courses is to become aware of the trauma and free of its effects.

At Cruise's high level of training, ex-members say, devotees also are charged with actively spreading the organization's less secretive beliefs and advancing its crusades, including Hubbard's deep disdain for psychiatry, a profession that once dismissed his teachings as quackery.

At Inland Base, Scientologists Trained Top Gun

8mm


994 posted on 12/18/2005 9:04:47 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

yw, 8mm


995 posted on 12/18/2005 9:35:05 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: 8mmMauser
At Cruise's high level of training, ex-members say, devotees also are charged with actively spreading the organization's less secretive beliefs and advancing its crusades, including Hubbard's deep disdain for psychiatry, a profession that once dismissed his teachings as quackery.

IMHO, those teachings are still quackery. However, I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on TV, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

996 posted on 12/18/2005 9:57:22 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

From your link....
Former members say they were told the mansion was built for Hubbard's return.

"The whole theory of that house was that before Hubbard died in 1986, David Miscavige told us, Hubbard told him he was going to come back and make himself visible within 13 years," Schless Pressley said.




Gee, maybe they forgot to bury him with a calendar watch - he's at least 6 years late! What a bunch of clueless saps! Some spent 20 to 30 years before they woke up! What a rude awakening.


997 posted on 12/18/2005 11:37:51 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: floriduh voter
They can't go about attacking the GOP if the GOP didn't actually save her. But, they're going to do it in 2006 anyhow.

Yes, but the GOP is too cowardly and fearful to defend itself, but how can the party defend its inertia in refusing to save Terri?

998 posted on 12/18/2005 11:42:10 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: presently no screen name; floriduh voter
If you are curious about this band, here are some links. Please be keenly aware I had no agenda futher than the keywords, clearwater sun, scientology, nazi, just Googled them. Maybe all these sites are biased against the poor misunderstood. Too many links for my time to go further.

Plenty to research if anyone is interested.

Well, Tom Cruise, who are you guys? Your compatriots came so close to us with unfriendliness at Pinellas Park, that it piques some curiousity. Google search finds some startling descriptions. Like this:

Nazis, anyone?

Or maybe something like this?

Alister Crowley pals?

Maybe this??

Crime syndicate?

Cultists like Charles Manson?

Oh, yes, when will we be able to see the image of L. Ron Hubbard returned from the grave or whatever and do we really want to?

8mm

999 posted on 12/18/2005 1:18:45 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Ping to above.

8mm


1,000 posted on 12/18/2005 1:19:44 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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