Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?

WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

[8mmMauser]

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

[Wampus SC]

"It may appear a bit off topic but the subtle connection is there:

They march in socialist lockstep with the death dealers we see."

It makes perfect sense. Propagandize them early on that they can't have personal property, and it's wrong to have it. Maybe teach them to sing John Lennon's "Imagine". When they grow up they won't look askance at things like Kelo - which in fact ruled that we don't own our property. Get them thinking we shouldn't own anything - so why should we own our lives? It all fits together.

We're being squeezed into a world where everyone is a disposable peasant or peon. Just like the new disposable peasant/peon class being imported from other countries. Think it's not related? Think again. We despised "boomers" will be high cost items in our old age. So, save the money and terminate the boomers, and use the money saved to fund free maintenance repairs for the imported peasants and peons. It all fits.

All these things are reasons why I have my tagline. Note that on these issues the Dems and GOP offer exactly nothing as a remedy. And that's two rants in one evening :)

[Wampus SC]

"Other than the clowns themselves. They don't seem to recognize the fact that they are the clowns everyone laughs at, but I digress. The point is, advocates of forced euthanasia support healthy young people, until they become "a liability." They do not support our troops. "

Not a digression at all. They call themselves clowns, and deny being such. Denial of the very thing they flaunt being is exactly the kind of mental logical disconnect one needs to hold the views they do. On euthanasia, and other things too...

[Wampus SC]

Two very interesting quotes from Der Slickmeister in that article:

"Look, I only halfway mean that in the sense that I think that everyone has a moral obligation to live as long and as well as he or she can," Clinton continued. "But I do think the living will will help to deal with the health-care crisis."

"We spend far more money on the last two months of life than any other country," Clinton noted. "And I think the only answer to that and maybe the good thing that came out of the terrible agony of the Schiavo family that we were all treated to for weeks is that amazing numbers of Americans including Hillary and me ... did living wills"

He's subtly introducing the idea that people should be terminated if they cost too much. Death By Spreadsheet! Yep, it's happened - a prominent politician proposes killing as a way to help the "health care crisis". (Read Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security.) It's a sign many have said to watch for, and now it's happened.

[Wampus SC]

The SOP for handling complaints and inquiries in SC is to say, "I'll get back to you", then blow it off. SC government agencies run on a mixture of incompetence, inertia, and pollyana. If anything gets done right, it's just the law of averages in action. People who make persistent complaints or inquiries are sometimes opposed, sometimes for merely rocking the boat. Merits are not considered. Officially we're to believe that everything is perfect, running just fine, and everyone is required to have charmed lives. Anyone who does anything that might dispel the illusion - and doesn't go away - is considered just a troublemaker.

It pains me to have to say this about my home state, whose land and regular people I love dearly. But that's what I've seen too many times.

[Wampus SC]

"And he would be in rapture if Beethoven were played. A friend who is a violinist would come and play at his bedside and we would never see him happier. He preferred live music and singing to even the best CD system and loved the singing in church, even trying in those occasions to vocalize, himself. Obviously he could tell the differences and had specific tastes in which classics he preferred. ..."

About music therapy, from personal experience. In 1970 I was in a rock-'n-roll band in Virginia. Every other month we played a free gig at a home for retarded and severely disabled teenagers - some were only a year younger than us. No other band would touch this - they were scared of the kids. But we took the job. It was amazing. The kids came alive, would sing along and sometimes dance if they were able. Even kids who usually just sat there all day would brighten up, some would try singing along if they knew the words from the radio. There was a lot of talk back then about the magical or spiritual power of music, and this was proof for us. This is Thanksgiving, and I'm thinking about the miracles I've seen in my life. That was one of them.

[8mmMauser]

This ping is to the Thanksgiving Day posts starting with #499 by Wampus SC with pithy statements from South Carolina and important guidance on what we may do.

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(this includes Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to 11/14.)

[TheSpottedOwl]

Sorry I'm much later to get to the thread than I usually am. I reread the post myself and saw several things of note. When I checked back on the SC website, I saw that sometimes use of drugs to control behavior (ie: of a lucid person) can be abuse. That certainly seems to be what happened.

I think that should include kids who are inappropriately medicated for convenience. I don't know what's wrong with some of these counselors! As far as I know, it is against the law to diagnose a minor as far as being a sociopath or bipolar. It's happening a second time to one family. In reality, the mother is scamming Social Security. The aunt is going for custody.

Oh, hope you had a great Thanksgiving :-)

[presently no screen name]

These days it may be impossible to educate them to morality, so they'll have to be educated as to what behavior will not be allowed



WampusSC - what a powerful and clear thinking statement! You cut through it all and go right to the baseline.

Thanks, 8mmMauser, for the ping.

[Sun]

Prayers for all concerned from upstate NY.

[Sun]

"About music therapy, from personal experience. In 1970 I was in a rock-'n-roll band in Virginia. Every other month we played a free gig at a home for retarded and severely disabled teenagers - some were only a year younger than us. No other band would touch this - they were scared of the kids. But we took the job. It was amazing. The kids came alive, would sing along and sometimes dance if they were able. Even kids who usually just sat there all day would brighten up, some would try singing along if they knew the words from the radio. There was a lot of talk back then about the magical or spiritual power of music, and this was proof for us. This is Thanksgiving, and I'm thinking about the miracles I've seen in my life. That was one of them."

That is so heart warming. You and the rest of the band did a wonderful thing, and God will bless you.

It reminds me of a little girl with Down's Syndrome that I saw, dance a ballet number flawlessly to instrumental music.

[Wampus SC]

Thanks. Should this be classified as a random Wampus incursion, or a sporadic Wampus outbreak? :)

[Wampus SC]

"I think that should include kids who are inappropriately medicated for convenience. I don't know what's wrong with some of these counselors! As far as I know, it is against the law to diagnose a minor as far as being a sociopath or bipolar."

I agree with you 100%. I won't even go into the political agenda behind choosing which kids get doped up.

IIRC, a handful of states now have laws that only licensed psychiatrists can diagnose kids, and only they and MD's can prescribe. All states should do this. But it seems redundant - I don't think any state allows practicing medicine without a license.

We can take them on with tactics outlined in #499. School systems, like medical corporation, are set up to insulate individuals from responsibility and consequences of their actions. So, take on the school system only to learn who the responsible individuals are, then take on every responsible individual teacher, counselor, principle, administrator, and school board member. Also state government policy makers.

Practicing medicine without a license is a serious charge with serious penalties. Conspiracy to practice medicine without a license would be too. So before they forcibly drug some kid, school employees should think real hard about whether doing so is worth the consequences it may bring them.

And that's my one and only rant for tonight. Promise. :)

[Wampus SC]

Thank you. Honestly, we weren't thinking much about God at the time. The next night you might find us playing a dive, in a cage, with bottles thrown at us. Anyway - we were young, idealistic 60's kids then; and just wanted to do something to help. Excuse me for being mystical, but something got going between us and those kids that felt amazing. Somehow it made us play better and put more into it. You mentioned Down's syndrome. There were kids with that there also. When they got going with the music it was like watching a light come on inside them, or something. In retrospect, I'm sure I saw a some kind of miracle, or something very close.

[Sun]

Whether you realized it or not, you were doing God's work. :)

[8mmMauser]

Sporadic Wampus outbreak has a good ring to it. Now you will get me started :)

You hit onto something that has been dwelling in the back of our minds for years. We were puzzled that we always were able somehow to muddle through our relations with the various institutions "helping" our son and others were not.

In our case, it was personal and individual. We were in the faces of the ones giving us the problems and most other parents left it to the institution to be the governing authority.

One time in Virginia the authorities collectively decided our son had a bowel obstruction because he was in distress. Without checking with us, they rushed him to the emergency room and prepared him for major surgery, which would have killed the frail kid. It was a collective decision, nobody to pin down. We rushed there and while my wife grabbed our son away, pulling out the tubes herself, I promised violent wrath on any who would resist us. The ER doc, self-appointed god, was hysterical, had staff call the police. We left before they arrived, took him home. A few hours later his simple migraine was passed and he was smiling. The authorities came to our house and found a happy kid.

We can recount time and again the sad stories of those who trusted the institution, and yes, even when so many of the nurses and help were wonderful. Too often that trust was fatally misplaced.

Point being you cannot defer to the institution. Go for the individuals.

As for the live music, live presence touches even the most gravely handicapped as we witnessed. TV noise and radios do not do that much, but live presence does. You can see it in their eyes.

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[8mmMauser]

The North Country Gazette checks in today...There's something about Pinellas County that is NKR (Not Quite Right)

Frances has had four heart attacks. She can't go out of her yard without a wheelchair. Feeding the birds and squirrels is everything to her but there's a Grinch in Pinellas County again, right in her own homeowners association----she might even end up before the Pinellas County judicial tyrant George Greer if the Grinch has his/her way.

The Grinch Of Pinellas County

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(this includes Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to 11/14.)

[8mmMauser]

Do I show my age when I remember learning to bop to the new rock and roll songs of Pat Boone?

He has a Thanksgiving message through WorldNetDaily.

Excerpts

Thanksgiving reflections about blessings the Almighty has bestowed on us sometimes awaken our pity for those who seem to have been cursed more than blessed in the year gone by. If we avoided direct hurt from tsunami or hurricane this year, we must already feel lucky compared to vast numbers of people still needing re-supply of brotherly love in strong doses.

If we delighted in the survival or rehabilitation of a loved one – as the good Lord allowed in the case of my grandson Ryan, who'd once been deemed likely to remain "a vegetable" after suffering brain injury in a tragic accident – then this year we especially pity Terri Schiavo's parents, who lost every legal battle to prevent her state-sponsored death by starvation.

Believing in Heaven and Earth

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[TheSpottedOwl]

I found out about the restrictions on diagnosis of children, by reading the DSM IV. My concern is that the counselor of these children(that I'm mentioning) is merely a social security scam, on the part of the mother.

The mother told the counselor that the oldest one was bipolar. The girl's problem is that she didn't want to put up with her mom's crazy BS. Mommy is a meth addict. She convinced the counselor that the girl is bipolar, and put her on Social Security. After the claim went through, mommy spent the first check(it accures from the day you put in your claim), on a car for herself. The girl doesn't see or get to use that monthly check.

She told her daddy that she didn't know she was anymore, last year. Now the mother and her bf are working the 13 yr old. Disgusting.

The schools aren't much better than disfunctional parents.

[BykrBayb]

There's a county ordinance against feeding wildlife, but that's only for wild animals ^{& disabled people,} not applicable to birds and squirrels.

[TheSpottedOwl]

For 12 years no one made a complaint but now, one cold-hearted person in the 107-unit subdivision has filed a complaint and Frances has received a letter from property manager Ronald Costa that says "We are informing you to cease and desist feeding the wildlife".

Well hell, at least I know where Joanne moved. She was my mom's neighbor. It sounds just like her :/

Got a phone# or email addy for these asshats?