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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

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To: T'wit

Nice to know Clintoon is an expert on Heaven.


421 posted on 11/19/2005 4:50:55 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
I haven't even figured out what church it is, but this article is from their pastor.

Where Is God When You Need Him?

8mm

422 posted on 11/19/2005 5:04:41 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter
>> She was killed for Michael Schiavo and why the GOP helped, I'll never know.

Give everyone credit where it's due. Murdering Terri was a bipartisan effort by legislators, judges, lawyers, media, lobbyists, death doctors and in-laws. Most of all, though, it was Michael Schiavo. When he put, "I kept my promise" on her plaque, he obviously meant: "I told you I'd kill you."

I believe the evidence points to him beating her and trying to strangle her on 2/25/90. I believe he tried to poison her with insulin on as many as five different occasions. It is simple fact that he tried several more times to kill her using the court system, and eventually he succeeded. It is also a fact that he paid the lawyers' fees for her execution by what amounts to embezzling money awarded by a jury for her medical therapy, treatment and care.

For those who took part in Terri's murder, the fate of Florida politics is a miniscule matter compared to being judged to be goats in the eyes of God.

423 posted on 11/19/2005 5:11:35 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: T'wit
Cheryl Ford just sent me this on another collaborator. Credit to those who contributed to Terri's fate:

When Lawyers Define Life

By Sovereign Dave
_dwissel@adelphia.net_ (mailto:dwissel@adelphia.net)
I now take the opportunity to save something valuable from Terri’s fiasco:
That is education to save the rest of us. Jay Wolfson most likely did do a
very complete job of research; even going beyond the call of duty by examining
different philosophies. This is admirable and probably serves well as
justification for actions. All we can do is the best with the information and duty we
have at hand—even if we might be ignorant to wiser concepts at that time.
But just as a scalpel in the hands of an unskilled surgeon is dangerous, so too
are lawyers who try to fit the definition of life within the box called law
for government. Both might have the best of intentions yet the effect is
something even lawyers can understand: damage.
In this case I suspect we are witnessing something far worse with Jay
Wolfson--sent in as a last-ditch prop when numbers of people started questioning
the fabric of government. In this case the fabric of government stretched
their theft of unalienable rights to the point of becoming revealing to a large
proportion of the population when they tried to “socialize” the theft in the
name of public good. If history is to teach us anything, it is always to be
vigilant that we too are not becoming acceptable of the theft of any
unalienable right—even if our majority supports same in the name of public good.
Mr.
Wolfson instantly became the pawn in the game of actually two social agendas;
the victims in the war were Terri Shciavo and unalienable rights.
The lesson: One has to remember that government’s only power is obtained
through consent—your consent. When you start to question consent to be governed
by government you now relegate yourself to the likes of some famous people:
Jesus, Ghandi, Buddha, Paine, Adams, Jefferson, King, Parks, etc. The truth
popularized by government is that “we consent to be governed.” The myth is
that we consent to be governed….by them and their law for government called
statutory law.” The myth portion is the democracy and is nearly diametrically
opposed to the concept of unalienable rights. [Reflect upon that for a moment
and one realizes if myth is true, society degenerates into the powerful group
depriving the individual of rights—not unlike Terri Schiavo’s case.]
For years those in “lawyer-land” [black-robes, lawyers and their
derivatives—politicians] have led you astray. In the name of social agenda they
have
tried to shrink-wrap the law that applies to people within the law that
applies to government: to make matters worse they have “force-fed” that back to
you by the argument of the lesser of two evils. You are told: “Well if there is
no law, anarchy prevails.” In our ignorance, we accept this tale of
half-truth and give consent of the whip to our slave. But how can I say this is a
half-truth? Well this is quite simple: there are two forms of law! There exists
common law—the law for the people—and there exists statutory law, the law for
government. The common law contains the most “common-sense” of laws:
murder, theft, etc. It is the common law to which the people gave their consent to
be governed. It is common law to which people still to this day largely
govern their actions. Common law is so powerful that many states strictly
construe statues of statutory law [i.e law for government] that are in derogation of
it. Think about this: On a percentage of the population basis the people of
New Orleans’s Katrina behaved quite well under the common sense of their
common-law heritage of “Thou shalt not steal nor kill”. Yet where were the
statutory law enforcers in the wake of Katrina? Non-existent! In summary: The
problems of today can be traced to the sinful evils when law for government
(statutory law) is misapplied to the people under the disguise of public good and
as a replacement for common law. Sadly it takes incidents like Terri to “
wake-up” the population: unto itself a derived testament to how well people
behave under common law.
Within the context of this explanation of two laws, let us examine this qu
ote by lawyer Jay Wolfson:
“We can take the best law we can and apply it in the best way we can.
That is all we can do.”
* To which law is Mr Wolson referring? [Hint: All lawyers are trained
primarily in terms of statutory law: law for government.]
* As you have discovered, while he makes a truthful statement it is a
half-truth by virtue of three possible reasons: ignorance, sin of commission
or sin of omission.
* If the people have common law, why is government applying the other
law to you? Isn’t this really mis-applying?
* If the best law they have in government law doesn’t save an
unalienable right, isn’t that an acknowledgment of its inherent limitations when it
is mis-applied to people? In other words, Mr. Wolfson’s comments are an
admission of the weakness of government laws. {Thankfully]

I won’t dive into the definition of life or social agenda. In this issue,
this is the DISTRACTION. This distraction only popularizes the myth of “consent
to be governed by government.” The real issue is, “What right does
government have to define life?” In the supreme law for government called the
Constitution, I do not see this as a grant of power to government! When you grant
them this power, those in power take your acceptance as consent and
justification for the theft of more power. In essence you transfer a little more of
the
whip from your hands to that of your slaves.

____________________________________

From: Fight4Terri@aol.com [mailto:Fight4Terri@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:06 PM
To: Fight4Terri@aol.com
Subject: Terri Schiavo guardian shares his experience at lecture




RN Ford Comments:



If he cared enough, why would Wolfson not have recommended calling in the
true medical experts to evaluate Terri as was requested of him to do? Why did
he suddenly disappear off of the case when Governor Bush sent him
interrogatories to answer?

Sorry Jay.......your caring about Terri is not sincere and just doesn't fly
with those who knew better. She is gone now...... please allow her to rest
in peace and for her sake, go and find yourself another tragic story to talk
about. You did not care enough then....it's too late now!

Sadly folks, guilt certainly has a way of never leaving those who have
assisted in victimizing others.

Terri Schiavo guardian shares his experience at lecture
Guest Speaker: Jay Wolfson, Dr. P.H., J.D. spoke about his now former
client, Theresa Schiavo. courtesy photo



"I would sit with her and stroke her hair and hold her hand and I would take
her head in my hands and beg her to help me help her," said Jay Wolfson,
Dr. P.H., J.D. about his now former client, Theresa Schiavo.

As he talked about his personal thoughts and experiences of brain-damaged
Schiavo\'s case Nov. 10, the FIU community sat, and stood, in Graham Center
140, silently listening to Wolfson\'s every word.

Although the fight for Schiavo\'s future had been going on for years,
Wolfson, professor of public health and medicine at the University of South
Florida, came into the picture in 2003 as the court appointed Special Guardian ad
Litem.

He was the legal representative for Schiavo. He had a month to look through
all of the legal and medical documents "of a woman I didn\'t know." He
reported to Governor Jeb Bush and the courts as to whether or not Schiavo should
have more swallowing tests administered. This would guide the governor in his
decision-making about the case.

"I didn\'t follow the O.J. or the Schiavo case," said Wolfson. "All of a
sudden, I am asked to inject myself into this thing."

Wolfson did more than just read 30,000 pages worth of documents. He turned
to famous philosophers and writers such as Dante, Descartes and Nietzsche for
answers. He spent time with Schiavo\'s family, the Schindlers and with
Michael Schiavo, her husband. Wolfson also spent one to four hours a day with
Schiavo.

"I was seeking both information and knowledge," he said.

Wolfson had many special tasks as Schiavo\'s Guardian ad Litem. One of them
was to serve in the best interests of his ward. Wolfson said that the problem
he had with that task was whether or not he should do what he, or someone
else thought was best for Schiavo.

Another task Wolfson had was to determine if there was "feasibility and
value in swallowing tests and swallowing therapy given the totality of the
circumstances." Wolfson\'s problem with this was that value can be relative.

Wolfson had to make a decision concerning Schiavo\'s fate.

"The scientist in me had to come in," Wolfson said.

The rules given to Wolfson for his decision-making were clear. He had to
give competent, clear and convincing evidence.' '"We can take the best law we
can and apply it in the best way we can. That is all we can do," Wolfson
said.

Wolfson explained that when Schiavo had her accident, she fell and her brain
was without oxygen for 12 minutes. She had slipped into a coma and was put
on a respirator for a month. Two months later, she was considered vegetative.
Schiavo could not swallow liquids.

Wolfson showed on a projector a picture of Schiavo\'s cerebral cortex. He
explained that this was where reasoning is. It was where the consciousness may
be and it was beyond reflexes. Schiavo\'s cerebral cortex was found to be all
liquid.

"Her cerebral cortex was gone," Wolfson said.

Finally, Wolfson\'s decision was made. He decided that additional testing
could and would be done if everyone agreed in advance as to how the results
were to be used. An agreement was never made.

From within the whirlwind, Wolfson discovered two things.

"I wound up learning that there was something about this case, and it
involved a certain chemical - hope," Wolfson said. "Is hope maybe the ability of
human beings to have something beyond yourself that is a part of you?"

Wolfson called this ability the divine spark.

"It\'s that special thing which makes us human," Wolfson said.

The second thing Wolfson discovered involved perspective.

"Much of what we see and hear is just the tip of the iceberg, and everyone
will have different perspectives of the tip," he said. "What I do know is that
things that are said and are represented are not the same."

As the lecture came to an end, Wolfson said he could see why life is so
important to people. "The alternative is the unknown and could be not being," he
said.

424 posted on 11/19/2005 5:19:24 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

I think they look as guilty as they will at the exact moment they are cast into the outer darkness.


425 posted on 11/19/2005 5:19:54 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Nice to know Clintoon is an expert on Heaven.

He thinks heaven is a Blewinsky.

426 posted on 11/19/2005 5:21:29 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: T'wit

With a Jack-o-Lantern Felos smile.....


427 posted on 11/19/2005 5:27:32 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Jay Wolfson is a spineless, gutless, fashion-driven, self-serving blowhard. He acts as if he lost his manhood in a mousetrap. He utterly failed in his legal responsibility as GAL and in his moral duty to Terri and to God.


428 posted on 11/19/2005 5:31:03 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: All; Ohioan from Florida; T'wit; TerriTheFightGoesOn
Back to Clinton's "Heaven": See Post #136

The Clinton Heaven

8mm

429 posted on 11/19/2005 5:35:27 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
It's a delicious image! I can see the two jack-o-lanterns in a ditch, discarded, heads broken, faces drooping, teeth falling off, innards spewing out. The rotting of evil things keeps the world clean.
430 posted on 11/19/2005 5:39:49 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Rialto, California, also with services in Ontario, Santa Monica and Fontana. This is not a region famous for sanity :-)


431 posted on 11/19/2005 5:58:35 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: T'wit
Haven't been to that area in about forty five years. It is probably different :)

Jay Wolfson is a spineless, gutless, fashion-driven, self-serving blowhard. He acts as if he lost his manhood in a mousetrap. He utterly failed in his legal responsibility as GAL and in his moral duty to Terri and to God.

Other than that, what do you really think of him?

8mm

432 posted on 11/19/2005 6:10:05 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TerriTheFightGoesOn
TerriTheFightGoesOn, Here is a link for others to the web site you mention in the Clintoon thread. Cheryl Ford's book, Our Fight4Terri is an essential source book if you do not already have it. My post #356.

TERRY SCHIAVO AND THE GREATEST GENERATION EMERGENCY

8mm

433 posted on 11/19/2005 6:24:29 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Gee, it sounds like Wolfson could become the spiritual adviser to the Republican Party, with its plethora of gutless wonders wandering in every direction.


434 posted on 11/19/2005 9:21:42 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Other than that, what do you really think of him?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

435 posted on 11/19/2005 11:32:45 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
North Country Gazette Op-Ed by Janice Sanford examines the charges that the Schindlers were in it for the money.

It is interesting that the Schindlers, who helped their daughter and Michael get set up in Florida by letting them live in their summer home free, and who Michael himself has said spent $3,000 dollars a month on Terri's care after her collapse, are now being accused of being "greedy".

"Mrs. Schiavo's family is paying about $3,000 a month for her care at College Harbor, Schiavo said…."

Family Ties Go Beyond a Marriage License

8mm


436 posted on 11/20/2005 4:08:55 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Judge not.

The great legacy of Jimmy Carter is embodied in this poster boy for judicial tyranny.

Joshua Herring writes.

In that decision, Judge Stephen Reinhardt, writing for the court, stated: "We hold there is no free standing fundamental right of parents 'to control the upbringing of their children by introducing them to matters of and relating to sex in accordance with their personal and religious values and beliefs."

Continuing, Judge Reinhardt said: "We conclude only that the parents possessed no constitutional right to prevent the public schools from providing information on [sex education] to their students in any forum or manner they select.'"

I cannot believe what we have come to as a nation--as a people.

The day Terri Schiavo left this world, when I first heard the news I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that wasn't quite like anything I've ever experienced before. Although I had many days to prepare for what increasingly appeared to be inevitable (involving an outright atrocity by government), as I gazed out the windows of the sliding glass doors in my study, I honestly wondered if I would ever be able to recapture the same sense of patriotism and love of country that has always been so much a part of my heart. Yep, the impact of what they did to Terri on this preacher--and American citizen--was just that dramatic. Now I see this taking place in our schools, and of course you know--this means war!

The heinous decision of the Ninth 'Circus' Court of Appeals

8mm

437 posted on 11/20/2005 4:21:20 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Hey! At least Joshua Herring gets it! How terrible it is that our judges don't!


438 posted on 11/20/2005 8:15:44 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

Thank you Janice Sanford for keeping the light on in this case. How many here beat the phase..'the parents just want her money' when everything pointed to "michael's" greed and lack of loyalty towards Terri.

Melting her rings for his own use cannot be forgotten either. From his smallest act to his greatest act - it was all about michael and his wishes while her parents and their love for their daughter were trashed. The clueless backed the death cult.

No matter how he tries, MS cannot rewrite history. His thoughts and actions are in stone - 'died in 1990' - he just had to wait 15 yrs to get rid of the body.


439 posted on 11/20/2005 11:19:22 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Tender cruelties...no cruelty too small or petty to for him to ignore.


440 posted on 11/21/2005 4:49:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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