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PARIS RIOTS SPREADING (8th Night of Violence and Burning)
World News Australia ^ | 4.11.2005. 18:34:50 | staff

Posted on 11/04/2005 12:32:54 AM PST by Southack

PARIS RIOTS SPREADING 4.11.2005. 18:34:50

Rioting around Paris has worsened with gangs attacking police and firefighters in defiance of a government vow to crackdown on the violence, which has plagued the capital for over a week.

Fresh rioting broke out on the outskirts of Paris — in the city's poorest and mainly immigrant suburbs — for the eighth straight night on Thursday.

Around 1,300 police officers were mobilised in the north-eastern suburb of Seine-Saint-Denis, while more than 30 people were arrested in the area.

Buses, fire engines and police were stoned and five policemen were reported injured.

Police said more than 160 cars were torched overnight in the Paris region and 33 in the provinces, a day after around 315 vehicles were burnt in the city’s Ile-de-France region.

One of the worst incidents took place at Neuilly-sur-Marne where police vans came under fire from pellet pistols, but nobody was reported hurt.

A fire was started in a primary school in Stains, as police were targeted by a group of 30 to 40 people near a synagogue.

Paris firemen were called to fight a blaze at a carpet warehouse in Aulnay-sous-Bois in Seine-Saint-Denis.

Traffic was halted on a suburban commuter line which links Paris to Charles de Gaulle airport after stone-throwing rioters attacked two trains.

The clashes have gained territory every night since they began last Thursday, exposing what critics say is a failure of the government to address the problems of low-income, high-immigration suburbs where crime and gangs run rampant.

In a worrying sign similar rampages broke out elsewhere in France.

Police said several cars in the eastern city of Dijon were set alight, while similar attacks took place in the western Seine-Maritime region and the Bouches-du-Rhone in the south of the country.

Government defiant

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, who cancelled a trip to Canada to tackle the crisis, said the violence was "unacceptable".

He vowed that authorities would not give in to the violence and would make restoring order their "absolute top priority".

"I will not allow organised gangs to make the law in the suburbs," he said.

President Jacques Chirac on Wednesday called for calm, warning that an escalation would be "dangerous".

The riots were sparked last week by the accidental electrocution of two teenagers who had hidden in an electrical sub-station to escape a police identity check in Clichy-sous-Bois.

A preliminary report released by the interior ministry on Thursday appeared to exonerate police of any direct role in the teenagers' deaths.

But as the unrest continued the opposition Socialist Party and many in the suburbs themselves blamed the hardline policies of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy for fanning the violence.

Mr Sarkozy, who on Thursday said the total number of people arrested was over 140, vowed a "war without mercy" on crime and rebellious youths in the suburbs just before the rampages erupted.

The conservative minister, who has ambitions of running for president in two years, has drawn criticism for his tough rhetoric, especially for referring to delinquents as "rabble".

On Thursday, he claimed that recent rioting "was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organised — we are looking into by whom and how."

Low income suburbs

France has 751 neighbourhoods officially classed as severely disadvantaged, housing a total of five million people, around eight percent of the population.

The recent violence has exposed simmering discontent in those suburbs where African and Muslim immigrants and their French-born children are trapped by poverty, unemployment, racial discrimination, crime and poor education and housing.

Unemployment is these areas is often twice the national rate of 10 percent, and per capita incomes 40 percent below the national average.

Thursday night was the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, a night traditionally marked by feasts and family get-togethers.


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To: sono

Wow. I have to admit, I was rather sanguine yesterday amidst all the chatter about a jihad in Paris. And I confess that I called out others here for being 'over the top' and near 'hysterics', given past tendencies for Arab disobedience in the French 'burbs, but given my immense respect for Mark Steyn's analytical and anecdotal intelligence, I have to admit I may have been wrong - that perhaps this IS more than just an opportunistic event, and perhaps something pre-meditated and fomented by Islamists in France and perhaps even Iranian agents.

This is deeply troubling.


101 posted on 11/04/2005 5:25:43 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: mikegi

PING to 101


102 posted on 11/04/2005 5:28:45 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: Southack
Somebody help me out here....I thought the Muzzies considered France to be a safe haven. Now they're burning the house down.

Are they really THAT stupid or is there some other dynamic at work here?

103 posted on 11/04/2005 5:30:39 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: sionnsar

"France is a bit ahead of the rest of the world with its deployment of "nukes", aka nuclear power plants"

Perhaps you should do a bit of light reading. Go back to Oct 1995 (google French Tahiti nuke) and find out that France INDEED posesses nuclear weapons, not simply nuclear power plants.

From Infoplease.com:

Countries with Nuclear Weapons Capability--->

Acknowledged: Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia, United States

Unacknowledged: Israel

Seeking: North Korea,1 Iran2

Abandoned: South Africa—Constructed but then voluntarily dismantled six uranium bombs. Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine—When Soviet Union broke up, these former states possessed nuclear warheads that they have since given up.

Anytime you hear the often-used term, "nukes"..it means nuclear weapons.


104 posted on 11/04/2005 5:33:49 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Southack
Limbaugh said it best this morning; "These are not French rioters they are insurgents. They are freedom fighters defending their territory!"

Remember the French were at the top of the list of those saying democracy was not appropriate for Muslims. Democracy was not compatible with democracy.

105 posted on 11/04/2005 5:33:57 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Rutles4Ever

A pity the Pope chose Benedict instead of Urban ...


106 posted on 11/04/2005 5:39:22 AM PST by sono (That was a metaphor. You DO know what a metaphor is? - Z Miller)
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To: Southack
opposition Socialist Party and many in the suburbs themselves blamed the hardline policies of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy for fanning the violence.

LOL! Hahaha! - Hell yes, do less to control illegal immigration of foriegn trash!

opposition Socialist Party = Democtratic Party in the US.

Can you imagine the field day the press and the Democrats would have if this was happening in America?


107 posted on 11/04/2005 5:39:41 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Rutles4Ever
I don't think that this is "it" but I do think it's the Muslims' "we're here and we're queer" moment. The question is whether Europe smacks this down hard or appeases them. the real wildcard is whether AQ exploits the situation. Who knows how many weapons they've smuggled into Europe. Right now, it looks like somewhat random rioting (ie. no goal) but a little organization by AQ could turn it into something more.

I wasn't joking when I wrote that we need contingency plans for France's nuclear weapons. A plan developed today might save millions when executed 20 years from now.

108 posted on 11/04/2005 5:40:11 AM PST by mikegi
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To: Victor

It's not that black and white. French intelligence, which is actually pretty good, and French special forces are side by side with us in Afghanistan. France has pressured Iran to come clean on the nuke program. France recently passed stringent (relatively speaking) anti-terrorism laws similar to England's and is now implementing them. France is the site for a number of terrorist cells linked to international groups, most notably from Algeria (the recent busts in Toronto and Montreal were of offshoot cells of that same group). AND notably the French intelligence agency recently broke with tradition by allowing the CIA to open a joint anti-terrorism operation in France - never been done before.

So that's a lot for a terrorist to hate about France.


109 posted on 11/04/2005 5:42:18 AM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: kb2614
**Amish and Baptists outta control? Maybe it's a radical sect of Lutherns. You know how they like to hammer stuff on doors.**

LOL...early morning chuckle. Thanks. :o)

110 posted on 11/04/2005 5:42:47 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: DB
"Weakness will only incourage them to push further."

Appeasers just don't get it and never will. The only way to get through to these people is to crush them.
111 posted on 11/04/2005 5:44:49 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: Clemenza

Quagmire it is! A genuine quagmire at that. Chuckle...


112 posted on 11/04/2005 5:46:22 AM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Is the lamestream even mentioning Muslims at all as the perps? I haven't turned on the tv since Sunday...

Yet I do see all the lamestream online outlets leaving out the word Muslims entirely. You'd think it was white Parisian gangs doing the burning and rioting.


113 posted on 11/04/2005 5:50:01 AM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Southack

"five policemen were reported injured" and ZERO rioters injured.

Typical French military action.


114 posted on 11/04/2005 5:51:34 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: gotribe

Well, that explains a lot. Good info, thanks. How do you know about the CIA ops?


115 posted on 11/04/2005 5:53:26 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Southack

The french are reaping what they have sown for their appeasment policies toward muslim terrorists.


116 posted on 11/04/2005 5:54:24 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: Sterm26
President Bush: "You are either with us or against us."

Islamo-Fascist: "Either you ARE us or against us."

117 posted on 11/04/2005 5:57:29 AM PST by cdbull23 ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back." - Homer on what's good to drink.)
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To: Southack
The conservative minister, who has ambitions of running for president in two years, has drawn criticism for his tough rhetoric, especially for referring to delinquents as "rabble". Even when Paris is burning the French criticize the prime minister for saying something "harsh" about the people that are setting it on fire. However, did the Germans manage to defeat such a resolute people.
118 posted on 11/04/2005 5:59:03 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: DB

The French not appease? Remember who the great appeasers were when Bush was making his case for War in Iraq? France, Germany, and Russia. I wonder if France will ever change their tune in light of the increasing Muslim uprising on their own soil. I doubt it very much.


119 posted on 11/04/2005 6:01:29 AM PST by cblue55
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To: DB

"It is truly amazing that this has been allowed to continue this long."

Well, that's what happens when you've been trained to always surrender. LOL.


120 posted on 11/04/2005 6:01:41 AM PST by jdm
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