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Forget Empress, Let's Have Concubines, Says Prince (Japan)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-4-2005 | Colin Joyce

Posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:01 PM PST by blam

Forget empress, let's have concubines, says prince

By Colin Joyce in Tokyo
(Filed: 04/11/2005)

A Japanese prince has shocked the country with an attack on plans to let women ascend the imperial throne.

Prince Tomohito, 59, the emperor's cousin and fifth in line to the throne, became the first member of the imperial family to speak out on the issue when he called on the nation not to abandon tradition.

Under the constitution, the monarchy plays a purely symbolic role and members of the royal family are forbidden from making political statements, even on matters of direct concern to them.

A panel appointed by the prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, last week said that it was recommending that Japan's princesses and their children join the line of succession.

This would pave the way for three-year-old Princess Aiko, the only daughter of Crown Prince Naruhito, to become reigning empress after her father.

But in a newsletter for the Imperial Household Agency, Japan's equivalent of Buckingham Palace, Prince Tomohito wrote: "Is it really good just to alter history and a unique tradition simply because we are living in the Heisei [modern] era?"

Conservative monarchists believe imperial blood flows only through the male line. Though Japan has had eight empresses, they served as regents until the line could revert to a son born in the male line.

Prince Tomohito wrote: "The reason the imperial line is so precious is that it is an undeniable fact that male succession has continued without exception in an unbroken line for 125 generations of emperors from the first reign of Jimmu in the mythical era."

The prince outlined ways to preserve male succession by bringing distant cousins of the emperor back into the line of succession either by adoption or the creation of new royal houses.

Even more controversially, the prince suggested male members of the royal family could once again take concubines to ensure a supply of sons.

"I'm all for it but this might be a little difficult considering social climate in and outside the country," he wrote.

The emperor's grandfather and great-grandfather were both born to concubines but Emperor Hirohito, who reigned from 1926 to 1989, ended the system.

The article will prompt speculation that Emperor Akihito and other members of the imperial family disagree with the mooted changes but are still observing the taboo on making public utterances on political matters.

Since they have to keep clear of politics, none was consulted by the prime minister's panel.

Prince Tomohito, who is not well known to the Japanese public, argued in his article that he should be allowed to speak freely because the newsletter is not for sale and is distributed only to a limited number of people.

"I take the position that I am speaking privately," he wrote.


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KEYWORDS: concubines; empress; forget; have; japan; lets; prince; says; strangekey; wordsfor1000alex
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1 posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:02 PM PST by blam
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2 posted on 11/03/2005 7:44:33 PM PST by blam
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"Even more controversially, the prince suggested male members of the royal family could once again take concubines to ensure a supply of sons."

Uh, ok. And if that is extended to other males, the population numbers might pick up a bit.

3 posted on 11/03/2005 7:48:03 PM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: blam
How long until Masako-sama goes COMPLETELY NUTS?

Takers?

4 posted on 11/03/2005 7:49:12 PM PST by gaijin
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To: blam
The prince outlined ways to preserve male succession by bringing distant cousins of the emperor back into the line of succession either by adoption or the creation of new royal houses.

And that convoluted solution would be better at preserving the royal "line" than allowing females would be?

5 posted on 11/03/2005 7:54:30 PM PST by saquin
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To: blam
As obscure as this might seem, you have to remember that absent a male in the line these guys would have to back up to find a line that had a continual male line down to the present day.

Odds are the current claimant under those conditions is a fellow who was born and raised in Minneapolis, MN.

6 posted on 11/03/2005 7:58:56 PM PST by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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Looking at the chart, if princess sayako had a son wouldn't he be eligible, time to be fruitful and multiply


7 posted on 11/03/2005 8:03:49 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: muawiyah; gaijin

Judging by his picture I'd guess Tomohito is the wild card of the bunch.


8 posted on 11/03/2005 8:04:15 PM PST by Shermy
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And Katsura's got one mean lookin' brow.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 8:06:42 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: muawiyah

A blue state, right?


10 posted on 11/03/2005 8:11:17 PM PST by aspidistra
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Sure, MN tends to "blueness", but this guy's family recalls having been tossed into concentration camps by the Democrats so they generally don't favor Democrats for public office.

Had to do with Fort Snelling and the Army Intelligence School during WWII ~ they were relocated from the camps to just East of the Mississippi.

11 posted on 11/03/2005 8:14:50 PM PST by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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And that convoluted solution would be better at preserving the royal "line" than allowing females would be?

Because it keeps it male.
12 posted on 11/03/2005 8:19:28 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: muawiyah
The French had the same rule when they were ruled by kings--the descent had to be entirely in the male line. When Charles X was forced to abdicate in 1830, and they didn't want to hand the throne to his young grandson, they went to the nearest cousin who went back entirely in the male line, and he became King Louis Philippe. (He was descended from the brother of Louis XIV.)

Shakespeare has a passage in Henry the Fifth, Act I, Scene II, where this rule is discussed:

"In terram Salicam mulieres ne succedant,"
"No woman shall succeed in Salique land"

13 posted on 11/03/2005 8:21:31 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: festus
Because it keeps it male.

Obviously. I realize that. I'm questioning the whole idea because if gender trumps bloodline (a distant male cousin, adopted into the line, is preferred over a direct female descendant) than why bother with a royal bloodline at all?

14 posted on 11/03/2005 8:24:52 PM PST by saquin
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To: Verginius Rufus
I think they have to go back about 1200 years unless somebody has a boy real soon.

Whole big bunches of the royal lines ran out in the 1800s. I've looked through the primary genealogies, and it looks like they were all hit particularly hard by tuberculosis.

15 posted on 11/03/2005 8:26:09 PM PST by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: blam

Japan is very sexist. Women are expected to quit for work after marriage. Their jobs become solely taking care of their husbands and their family.


16 posted on 11/03/2005 8:29:57 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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Concubines would fit in perfectly to the social climate. In fact, I thought it was the accepted norm the world over? Silly Prince.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 8:32:12 PM PST by Whitewasher (Would u like America to be a goat nation in the millennium to come? Keep pushing the "Roadmap" bull!)
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To: muawiyah
I'm not sure if you are referring to Japan or France. The French royal family had a lot of members who died young, and tuberculosis seems to have been a major reason. There may be descendants of Louis Philippe around (I think Charles X's grandson, who would have become Henry V if they had restored the monarchy after the fall of Napoleon III, died childless).

King Juan Carlos of Spain is also descended from Louis XIV but perhaps his ancestor renounced any rights to the throne of France for his descendants, when he became Philip V of Spain in 1700.

19 posted on 11/03/2005 8:36:35 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Japan is very sexist. Women are expected to quit for work after marriage. Their jobs become solely taking care of their husbands and their family.

You've done it. You've finally found the one part of Japanese culture that is better than the west ! ;-)
20 posted on 11/03/2005 8:42:54 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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