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Vatican Cardinal Says We Should Listen to Science
FOXNEWS.COM ^ | 11/03/2005 | AP

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:30:45 PM PST by FFIGHTER

VATICAN CITY — A Vatican (search) cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture (search), made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.

The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo (search) was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' (search) discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

"The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said

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1 posted on 11/03/2005 12:30:45 PM PST by FFIGHTER
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To: FFIGHTER

My old tagline sums it up:

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein


2 posted on 11/03/2005 12:34:11 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: FFIGHTER

didn't God give us science?


3 posted on 11/03/2005 12:37:33 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: FFIGHTER

What station is science on? Does it have a good beat? Can I dance to it?


4 posted on 11/03/2005 12:43:09 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Kerretarded

No. The implication is that religion does not see the truth of things.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 12:44:36 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: FFIGHTER

Secular science says there's no God. I think I'll stick with the Bible and Church doctrine on that one.


6 posted on 11/03/2005 12:44:51 PM PST by x5452
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To: edcoil

God gave us our senses and our minds and bodies to interpret what we see, and to rely on wisdom to fill in the chinks.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 12:46:27 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: x5452

"Secular science says there's no God."

Actually, it doesn't say that at all. Science simply doesn't deal with supernatural phenomena. It can't since such phemonena cannot be studied in the physical world.

I know of know science that says there is not a God. I'm sure some scientists are atheists, but lots are regular, church-going Christians. There's no conflict. Science studies the physical world. Religion deals with supernatural stuff like deities. The two are not connected at all.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 12:48:17 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: All

That should be:

I know of no science....


10 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:08 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' (search) discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

Revisionist history. Had Galileo kept his agreement with Pope Urban VIII then he wouldn't have gotten into hot water over heliocentrism.

Twisting the Knife

11 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:23 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: edcoil

Yes, you are absolutely correct. The same God that gave us the 10 Commandments is the same God that designed the DNA molecule.

I have always believed that there is not, nor can there ever be, a contradiction between science and religion. Whenever a contradiction does appear it is because of gaps in our knowledge and understanding.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 12:51:36 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: ops33

But it's a crime to suggest to school children that God designed DNA.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 1:13:52 PM PST by x5452
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To: FFIGHTER

Error? I didn't think infallible people could make errors.

Anyway, science is mentioned twicece in the Bible.Once is when Daniel is described as having wisdom from God and understanding science and once in First Timothy: "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:- -" - 1Tim. 6:20


14 posted on 11/03/2005 1:20:24 PM PST by RoadTest (The Fear Of The Lord is the beginning of Wisdom)
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To: RobbyS
No. The implication is that religion does not see the truth of things.

Implication? My tagline or the story?
15 posted on 11/03/2005 1:22:05 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: RoadTest

Since there was no such thing as the scientific method when that was writtein, what the writer is talking about is probably gnosticism. There may be false knowledge, but to have a false science is sort of like having false facts. If it's false, it ain't science.


16 posted on 11/03/2005 1:52:21 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Revisionist history.

The article you liked says that the Big G got what was coming to him because he insulted the Pope.

This type of personal vendetta is just as bad, if not worse, than a condemnation for telling the truth.

So we're left with the idea that either Urban VII was anti-scientific truth, or just a jealous bastard. Neither is particularly flattering.

17 posted on 11/03/2005 2:08:50 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: RoadTest
Popes are not "infallible people."

The dogma of papal infallibility has to do with very specific (and very rare) situations.

18 posted on 11/03/2005 2:11:43 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: x5452

you're mixing science with philosophy


19 posted on 11/03/2005 5:04:29 PM PST by heybeavis
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To: heybeavis

No the state is mixing science with philosophy, the state is mandating that with a lack of evidence one theory has been crowned true and all others deserve to be persecuted, they've decided they know what is best for the children above aand beyond parents.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:26 PM PST by x5452
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