Posted on 11/03/2005 11:36:34 AM PST by shhrubbery!
[snip]...It is not surprising that your White House distrusts and/or despises the media, the CIA, the State Department's career officers, the United Nations and a host of other institutions that you could not control...People in those institutions were out to defy and/or get you.
But you and yours helped them accomplish the mission. One lesson available in this story is that amateurs are no match for the CIA in disinformation campaigns. The spies are far better at operating in the shadows than you politicians will ever be. They have a license to dissemble.
The hidden management of the criminal justice process and the news media practiced by spooks in Wilson-Rove-Libbygate is nothing short of brilliant. So you were right to fear the agency...
Fear probably caused you to keep the Clinton-appointed leadership in place at the CIA long after some of its top operatives mounted a rebellion against the White House, in part to shift attention from their failures to yours. I know that George Tenet charmed you, and the rest of us. That's what spies and spymasters do, sir. You should have been taking that into account...
...After Wilson's slanted account of his mission to Niger provoked a small hubbub over your 16-word reference to Iraq's seeking uranium, Britain reiterated repeatedly to the United States that it stood by its reporting on that topic -- which was not based in any way on the much-ballyhooed forgeries from Italy...
...Telling the public that there was an independent stream of intelligence, with all the problems and counterattacks it would have triggered from the opposition leakers, would have been better for you than aides' taking it on themselves to plant stealthy suggestions of nepotism at the CIA...[excerpts -- all emphasis added by me -- shhrub]
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
...and tell me: ARE PIGS FLYING???
I cannot believe what Hoagland has done here, in the name of the Washington Post:
Granted, we at FR already know this from having read Victoria Toensing's and Zell Miller's insightful writings on this affair.
But when the Washington Post admits it, that's news! (Can Chrissy Matthews be far behind?)
The cat's out of the bag on this, I believe. Somebody wake me up if I'm dreaming!
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Wow! Awesome! Let's see if the rest of the MSM takes this and runs...
Where's Judy Miller? ;)
Can't help but think this is the Compost trying out the old adage about catching more flies with honey rather than vinegar. I don't trust them any further than I can throw their building.
Someone has a strong sense that the "story" is about to break in this direction, and is jumping out in front, in order to say "see, isn't the Bush administration stupid for falling into this mess?"
I hate to tell you this, but IMO Hoagland wrote this to be satirical (in order to try to spin away Zell Miller's column in the AJC and other such columns in the WSJ).
Chrissy will NOT acknowledge this at all....
because in his world, the Bush Administration is EVIL!!!
That may be true, however, he's trapping himself at the same time by saying "what he sees".
This was an attempted coup de'tat by the CIA against an American President.....Who will call it treason?
I still think that one of the most interesting things about this whole affair is the silence of Porter Goss. He was much in the news earlier, lambasted by the MSM for ousting traitors. But I haven't seen or heard a word about him for the past month or so.
Wouldn't you think the MSM would be trying to interview him about Plamegate, or manufacturing some kind of story if he wouldn't cooperate?
I think Goss is a good man, and loyal to Bush. I'm hoping that he may yet have some tricks up his sleeve. Maybe the MSM was being given some rope to hang themselves with.
The problem is, he wrote it in such a way that he could say "I was being satirical" if it later suits him.
I really can't figure out what he's getting at.
I was afraid it was too good to be true.
But I hope you're wrong.
The second page, at the very least, seems dead earnest to me.
They have a license to manipulate elections, and overthrow governments, too. They do it all the time in the third world, its what they train to do, and its what we pay them to do.
Their charter does not permit them to do this within the US itself, though. For having crossed this line, heads must roll, and for that matter, people should be prosecuted. Depending on the motive behind violating their charter, some agents should probably be jailed at Guantanamo.
What the heck is going on here?
Shake the place like a dirty throw rug.
Maybe he wrote it as a satire...but what he wrote is the truth...so, maybe he inadvertantly has given a match to light a fire under someone's rear end...to actually investigate this...
I wish Joe DiGenova and his wife, Victoria Toensing would push some Republican to ask for this investigation.
This has some legs, I just have that gut feeling ...... my God - the 'Rats are so screwed, and the CIA big shots are so screwed. GW Bush has got a wild ride ahead of him and he's going to need all the support that he can get.
This Plame/Wilson - WMD - CIA - yellowcake - Iraq - etc. epposode is goona turn into a media mushroom cloud.... in the exact opposite way that the Main-Stream-Media expected!!!
This is gonna be HUGH and SERIES!!!
It just makes you look retarded to claim that this fine opinion piece by Hoagland is the voice of the Washington Post "admitting" the CIA set up the White House.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Besides even if he wrote it as an expose, he'll be just another tree in the woods. (You know, the one that fell and no one heard?)
I'm betting that Porter Goss has made a secret request to the Justice Department to investigate insubordination (to put it mildly) in the CIA in this whole affair.
I think these requests are supposed to be kept classified.
And after all, wasn't the "leak" referral to the JD supposed to be kept secret? Somebody leaked that referral.
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