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CIA holds terror suspects in secret prisons
WP ^ | November 1 2005 | Dana Priest

Posted on 11/01/2005 9:02:24 PM PST by jmc1969

Debate grows within agency about legality, morality of approach

The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.

The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.

The existence and locations of the facilities -- referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents -- are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country.

But the revelations of widespread prisoner abuse in Afghanistan and Iraq by the U.S. military -- which operates under published rules and transparent oversight of Congress -- have increased concern among lawmakers, foreign governments and human rights groups about the opaque CIA system.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2bigforbrithces; alqaeda; ciahousecleaning; gwot; muststop; nurnenbergtrials; rightsviolation; sickcia; specialops; truthwillout
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To: jmc1969

Someone tell me how this is different from outing the Democrat Plame? It's NOT. But if the media is outing anyone, it's Freedom of the Press.

Plame already outted herself by having her photo made when she gave money to the Democrats.

Politics should be 'off limits' for CIA, FBI, and local law enforcement.

Period.


41 posted on 11/02/2005 3:31:01 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: jmc1969

Disband the CIA. Move it's functionality to Army Intelligence, or better yet, start a new organization. The current CIA is riddled with commie traitors.


42 posted on 11/02/2005 3:34:21 AM PST by samtheman
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Someone tell me how this is different from outing the Democrat Plame? It's NOT.
It's treason.
43 posted on 11/02/2005 3:35:40 AM PST by samtheman
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To: jmc1969
Debate grows within agency about legality, morality of approach.

Oh, yeah, NOW they want to talk morals, but when Lewinsky was smoking Clintoon's cigar, morality was 'off limits.'

Does this tell you anything about the 'morals' of the Media? It should. They have no morals and pull the "moral card" only when it suits their attacking anyone they disagree with.

The soldiers in Iraq are fighting so that the Media can 'freely' report the 'news.' But they've got their heads so firmly up the Liberal Ar$e, they can't smell anything but $h!t and don't even recognize it for what it is.

Note to Media: Do not pee on my boots and tell me it's raining.
44 posted on 11/02/2005 3:37:26 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: jmc1969
The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe

Good!

45 posted on 11/02/2005 3:39:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: jmc1969
The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe

Is there a cell reserved for Michael Moore?

If not, why not?

46 posted on 11/02/2005 3:40:08 AM PST by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: skimask

"You should take a peek over at DU or KOS... oh how they claim the moral high ground..what a bunch of two faced liars."

Not unless I could take a bath after reading such crap. And they want to ACT morally superior? Now that's a joke - considering they're the party who loves to kill babies.


47 posted on 11/02/2005 3:40:48 AM PST by LibSnubber (Liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: jmc1969

The previous story was that secret detainees were being held in Navy ships at sea.

These stories change so dramatically and so quickly.


48 posted on 11/02/2005 3:41:34 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Certain_Doom
I don't see how this hurts Bush. Sure, the screeching left will screech, but the real Americans don't care.

Exactly. Most Americans (as you say, real Americans) will be pleased to know we've got the worst of the worst in secret prisons around the world, and they won't want these prisoners to be coddled, either.

49 posted on 11/02/2005 3:45:43 AM PST by alnick
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To: Certain_Doom

"I don't see how this hurts Bush. Sure, the screeching left will screech, but the real Americans don't care."

And if they do care, I'll bet the majority of those Americans will be disgusted with the CIA and whomever is doing the leaking. If they can't keep something like THIS a secret, then the CIA is WORTHLESS.


50 posted on 11/02/2005 3:50:46 AM PST by LibSnubber (Liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: LibSnubber
If they can't keep something like THIS a secret, then the CIA is WORTHLESS.

The problem I see is that our COMMIE RAT Senators get to sit in on intelligence oversight meetings and then help leak this stuff.

51 posted on 11/02/2005 3:55:03 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: samtheman
It's treason.

So, what is the penalty for Treason? Where ARE the Founding Fathers when you need them?

Did Benedict Arnold create a Journalism School?

Or are Journalists (in the broadest sense of the term) given the "Benedict Arnold Award of the Year" when they commit treason?
52 posted on 11/02/2005 3:57:28 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: o_zarkman44
Nah, the SS could get out of a wet paper bag. They were actually dangerous. The CIA are just incompetent Democrat boobs who wreck everything they touch.
53 posted on 11/02/2005 3:59:12 AM PST by JasonC
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To: LibSnubber

And where are the MSM demands that Fitzgerald find out who's leaking?!

Have I told y'all lately how much I hate the MediaCrats?


54 posted on 11/02/2005 4:02:12 AM PST by Timeout
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To: jmc1969

Such a secret that I have been reading the same recycled article for three years now.


55 posted on 11/02/2005 4:07:41 AM PST by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: jmc1969

Oh biy, where to start? Where is the investigation of all THIS leaking. Plamegate is nothing compared to the damage this information being made public is. The Rats and their media buddies are going to get people killed.


56 posted on 11/02/2005 4:12:38 AM PST by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: jmc1969

Isn't publishing this information far more damaging than the revealing of the name of a person who MAY have been a covert agent years ago for the CIA? Where may we get a little perspective on the relative importance of the two situations?

This sounds like a very serious leak of information by either a US Senator or one of the staff (if not someone within the CIA itself), and a serious compromise of the ability of the CIA to carry out its mission.


57 posted on 11/02/2005 4:38:46 AM PST by alloysteel (Payback and reality may not be related, but they can both be a b*tch.)
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To: expatguy
"Certain Individuals within the CIA and the State Department are willing to leak anything and everything to hurt Bush."

It is / was a great majority of the CIA - Though Mr. Goss is doing what he can to reduce those numbers. Outside of the SAD of the CIA, 85% + is useless and or dangerous because it (CIA) has become political in the past decade.

58 posted on 11/02/2005 4:54:42 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: jmc1969

bump


59 posted on 11/02/2005 4:54:52 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: DevSix
Why does anyone think the entire CIA is composed ONLY of traitors and double agents? There are appointees and individuals with Civil Service protection that are entrenched, and nearly impossible to dislodge on the short term. Not all these are politically reliable, nor are they particularly protective of the US as the leading light in the world. Their loyalties may lie with Communist governments, with the UN, with the Dem'crats (in the hope that Dem'crats ever regain political power in this lifetime), or even with the Islamofascists. And the worst part is, they are working alongside good, honest, patriotic agents, whom they would betray in a heartbeat. Makes a good story line for "Alias", but a terrible way to run a covert war.
60 posted on 11/02/2005 4:57:03 AM PST by alloysteel (Payback and reality may not be related, but they can both be a b*tch.)
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