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Pistol-packers challenge police (NH)
The Union Leader (NH) ^ | October 30, 2005 | ROGER TALBOT

Posted on 10/31/2005 9:43:58 AM PST by neverdem

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To: GovernmentShrinker

And you can back up your speculation with the studies that support this?

In my experience, those that actually practice open carry usually do so on their own premises and not generally paraded on the metropolitan streets.

I'll agree that it isn't a 'bright idea' for anyone and everyone to carry openly just because they can. It shouldn't be, but it can sometimes be misconstrued as hostility in those areas unaccustomed to seeing armed civilians.

But I'll openly challenge any assertion that open carry is equivalent to wearing a "mug me" sign. I won't believe that armed people are intentionally mugged or robbed more often than unarmed.


41 posted on 10/31/2005 11:21:54 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: clee1
"I promptly went to the city PD and swore out a complaint against the officers involved and threatened a civil rights lawsuit against the city, the department, and the two officers. As a result, the entire city PD had to go through retraining regarding the firearms laws of Georgia."

BZ
42 posted on 10/31/2005 11:26:01 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Yes, saw a gun show and was quite glaringly aware that someone doing something stupid would end up hurt.
And the atmosphere was very cordial as well.
But I do admit having a bit of a 'lust' for the long guns there instead of the pistols.

It would be nice if people carrying were much more common.

However, living in NY state as I do, that is a bit of a pipe dream here at the moment.


43 posted on 10/31/2005 11:28:07 AM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: DHC-2
I think some "citizens" better start getting used to seeing guns.

So true. About three years ago I was driving on an interstate highway at dusk, when I passed what appeared at 65 mph to be a young man standing on the side of the road next to his broken down, beat up old car. As I looked in my rearview mirror, I saw no one else seemed to be pulling over to help him, so I pulled over, and backed up along the shoulder until I reached him. Mindful of the fact that people aren't always who/what they appear to be, and that I was a smallish woman alone in my car (a very unfashionable wood-sided station wagon), I pulled my trusty little KelTec P-32 out from my handbag pocket, and placed it on the passenger seat beside me -- in clear view, and within easy reach while not being threatening.

I rolled down the passenger side window a couple of inches as the fellow approached, and quickly established that he really was a 16 year old boy whose car had broken down while he was on his way to practice with some little rock band that he and some friends had put together. I rolled down the window further, and lent him my cell phone, at which point he clearly noticed the gun, and tried unsuccessfully not to look alarmed. First he called his mom, but she wasn't home and he just left a message that his car had broken down. Then he called one of his band friends, who said he'd come pick him up. The kid was clearly ready at this point to part ways with the lady-with-the-gun, but I insisted he first call his mom again, and leave a message with his precise location, and the info that he was expecting his friend to pick him up shortly. Then I went on my way.

I've always wondered what this kid said later to his mom and to his band buddies. At any rate, I know he went away with a new concept of what middle aged ladies in wood-sided station wagons may be carrying around with them. Hopefully the experience nudged him in the direction of becoming a pro-RKBA voter. At least he knows first hand that people who routinely carry guns aren't all criminals, and that some are nice ladies who stop to help when they see a teenager stranded with a broken down car.

44 posted on 10/31/2005 11:28:14 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: 70times7

"Relax Darkshear, relax. If you stay worked up like this your reading comprehension levels will drop even lower."

Nice attempt at an insult.
If you were truly interested in actual discussion, you wouldn't feel the need to make personal attacks.
Thanks, no further correspondence with you is necessarry.


45 posted on 10/31/2005 11:29:25 AM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I doubt an open carrier would get mugged, but I expect they get their guns stolen from them a lot more often than concealed carriers. "Grab and run" is the likely scenario, not "grab and stick around and try to use it".


46 posted on 10/31/2005 11:31:27 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Darksheare
"NH law says open carry is okay. So why did Mr Rice have an issue with the type of holster the guy had? If he didn't have an issue with it, he wouldn't have mentioned the holster type."

Take a pill, man. Mr. Rice simply fell back to his training, it was poor judgement on Mr. Pelletier's(SP) part and if he thinks about it, he'll agree.

That type of holster in the small of your back is extremely difficult to maintain weapon retention. Even the article says that the police came up behind him and disarmed him.

47 posted on 10/31/2005 11:47:13 AM PST by Shadow Deamon
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To: Shadow Deamon

"Take a pill, man. Mr. Rice simply fell back to his training,"

Another who has to insult while saying nothing new.
Mr. Rice has never heard of 'deterrent'.
If deterrence didn't work, whuy do we have a standing Army and Navy?
Why did we have ICBM's if deterrencec didn't work?

Mr. Rice needs to brush up on 'deterrence'.
And he needs to brush up on NH law.


48 posted on 10/31/2005 11:49:09 AM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: petro45acp

Cool site, thanks.


49 posted on 10/31/2005 11:50:15 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: RKV

What is "BZ"????


50 posted on 10/31/2005 11:53:35 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

Short for "Big Z"

or "Bravo Zulu"

The Big Z is the Admiral Zumwalt award for excellence....


unless the writer is referring to "Battle Zero" on a Main Battle Rifle....


Top sends


51 posted on 10/31/2005 12:14:02 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG!!!!)
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To: Darksheare
Nice attempt at an insult

No "attempt" involved.

If you were truly interested in actual discussion, you wouldn't feel the need to make personal attacks.

And if you were you would have discussed the facts. Instead you set the tone *sniffle sniffle* with implied insults based on errant conclusions about both the article and my opinions. Until my prior post I pushed the facts; you know, those things you side stepped in order avoid discussing the point? Of course, if you don't like it you can always take your keyboard and go home.

Thanks, no further correspondence with you is necessary.

Ahh, well, so you have. My gratitude is yours.

52 posted on 10/31/2005 12:17:38 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Shadow Deamon; Darksheare
Take a pill, man.

I'm guessing it would be a birth control pill - to stop those cows DS keeps having...

53 posted on 10/31/2005 12:23:27 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: 70times7

Yes, attempt is correct.
If you cannot discuss anything without insulting, then this is not the forum for you.
I did not insult you, you had no business or reason to attempt insults or personal attacks.


54 posted on 10/31/2005 12:24:50 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: 70times7

Again with the insults.


55 posted on 10/31/2005 12:25:12 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: Darksheare
I retract my gratitude.

I have stated my case plainly. Any time you want to actually discuss it feel free.

56 posted on 10/31/2005 12:28:15 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: 70times7

What gratitude?
You were trying to be insulting, repeatedly.


57 posted on 10/31/2005 12:29:33 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: Darksheare

I have stated my case plainly. Any time you want to actually discuss it feel free.


58 posted on 10/31/2005 12:30:51 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: 70times7

And I stated mine, to which you felt the need to make personal attacks and make an attempt to be insulitng.


59 posted on 10/31/2005 12:31:46 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Good policy isn't made based on speculation.


60 posted on 10/31/2005 12:34:15 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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