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Religious beliefs trump hurricane relief (Baptists Veto Beer Company's Water)
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=4747&z=3&p= ^ | 10/29/2005

Posted on 10/30/2005 9:10:08 PM PST by Between the Lines

CLEWISTON — Hurricane victims who wanted water had some difficulty finding it at a relief station in Clewiston Friday. The volunteer group running a supply center doesn't like the company that donated the water, so they decided not to give it to those in line for help.

Twenty-two pallets of the canned water, distributed free by beer company Anheuser-Busch, bears the company's label – and members of the Southern Baptist Convention refused to hand it out to those in need.

Resident lined up for miles to receive food and water at the distribution point. But the water was left on the sidelines by the Alabama-based group.

"The pastor didn't want to hand out the Budweiser cans to people and that's his prerogative and I back him 100-percent," said SBC volunteer John Cook.

The SBC felt it was inappropriate to give the donation out, and they weren't happy when NBC2 wanted to know why.

"Why do you want to make that the issue? That's not the issue. The issue is that we're here trying to help people," Cook said.

No one disagrees with that, but the Red Cross says Anheuser-Busch is also trying to help.

The water has been available all along, but the SBC volunteers set it aside and few people knew it was available.

While the SBC is standing its ground, the Red Cross says water is water and they're now handing out the supplies.

The vice-president of operations for Anheuser-Busch, Mike Harding, released a statement on the donation Friday reading:

“As we have seen numerous times in recent years, safe drinking water is a critical need following natural disasters such as Hurricane Wilma. At the request of various relief agencies, Anheuser-Busch and its wholesalers have donated more than 9 million cans of drinking water since Hurricane Katrina hit in August, and when called on, we’ll continue to provide water to all victims of Wilma as long as it’s needed.”

"I don't think it makes a difference who gives it out. It's going to a good cause. It's going to help everyone," said storm victim Lisa Simmons.

And many victims are grateful Anheuser-Busch is stepping in to help.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: baptist; beer; hurricanerelief; wilma
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To: SouthernFreebird
There is no reason why the SB volunteers should have to do something they feel goes against their beliefs. Much like the pharmacist who refuse to hand out the morning after pills.
How about we let these people keep their faith while they are lending a helping hand and a working back to feed, cloth and shelter and clean up for disaster victims.
141 posted on 10/31/2005 12:30:12 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: oyez
Catholics will speak to each other a the liquor store

I thought that that was teh difference between Methodists and Baptists.

142 posted on 10/31/2005 12:39:39 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: TKDietz

The ones I've been to had a pre-wedding "dinner" which usually meant a cook out and a lot of drinking...then the prim and proper and incredibly boring 60 minute shake and grin, cake cut and photo op.


143 posted on 10/31/2005 12:41:57 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Between the Lines; MarMema; FormerLib; RusIvan; iva; The_Reader_David; Mount Athos
The "What would Jesus do" question is one of the dumbest things going around today. It presumes that we can do what Jesus is able to do or that Jesus would limit himself to what we can do

Maybe for you, but we Orthodox are instructed in every service to lead Christ like lives and to always think of what would Christ do. Unfortunetly I am weak and fail to often.

144 posted on 10/31/2005 12:44:23 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Gumlegs
"I realize not all Methodists hold to these precepts, but I believe not all varieties of Baptist insist on abstinence."

There can be a great deal of difference in beliefs within a denomination. I went to a Presbyterian college and was in choir and just about every other school vocal group. We'd go on tour and sing at churches of all denominations, even a couple of synagogues. We sang at several Baptist churches, but there was one where the pastor kept complaining that we were dancing as we sang because we'd get into some of the songs we were singing and move around a little. Our conductor warned us once, but after that when the pastor complained we just packed up and left and decided never to darken their door with our presence again. Most Southern Baptists don't seem to care about dancing, especially when the music is Christian music. I know of one Southern Baptist preacher in a town about forty-five minutes below where I live that is always telling his congregation to stockpile their weapons for the race war that is coming soon. That's certainly not typical in Southern Baptist churches. In fact there are several all black or mostly black Southern Baptist churches. There is a lot of variation in beliefs within denominations.
145 posted on 10/31/2005 12:49:17 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: Skooz

I've seen a few Baptists who are Dale Jr. fans too, LOL


146 posted on 10/31/2005 1:00:33 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: jb6

Catholics will speak to Methodists and vise versa in the package store..


147 posted on 10/31/2005 1:45:48 PM PST by oyez
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To: Between the Lines
Why do you want to make that the issue? That's not the issue. The issue is that we're here trying to help people," Cook said.

Well, Pastor, you're doing a piss-poor job of it.

"For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink." - Matt 25:42

148 posted on 10/31/2005 1:51:54 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Between the Lines

Stuck on stupid


149 posted on 10/31/2005 1:52:14 PM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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To: jb6

Only If You Want The Truth About this Story

A Study in Propaganda

This type of propaganda needs to be exposed so that no one else is fooled.

Warning: When a story is this crooked, it is tedious to unravel.

Hurricane victims who wanted water had some difficulty finding it at a relief station in Clewiston Friday.

Yes there was "some difficulty", there is always "some difficulty. What this liar wants you to deduce is that due to the Baptist volunteers handing out water other than Anheiser Busch water, there was "ADDED DIFFICULTY" for those in line, even though there WAS NOT "ADDED DIFFICULTY" for those in line.

The noted difficulty was just the normal difficulty and headache of needing and getting relief at any relief station.

The story says they wanted water (any water) but had difficulty finding it (trying to make you believe they had difficulty finding (any water) at all). (Nonsense) The story is playing with words, knowing that you instinctively know that those in need did not come looking for any particular water, so it must mean they could find any water at all. (Nonsense) The story is cryptically saying there was a search by victims for Anheiser Busch water (LIE), (and they (the victims) had difficulty finding "it" (the Anheiser Busch water), hoping you will think "it" means that the victims struggled to find water (any water).

These hacks behind this article knew if you tried to sue them for libel, they could say, "well the victims did have "difficulty"..."finding water", because getting help at a relief station is always a difficulty. Oh, no, we weren't really implying "added difficulty". Sure you weren't.

The volunteer group running a supply center doesn't like the company that donated the water, so they decided not to give it to those in line for help.

A calculated LIE with just enough wiggle room to avoid LIBEL. The author is using 'it', in order to confuse the reader that 'it' was the only water available at some point. (Nonsense)

...members of the Southern Baptist Convention refused to hand it out to those in need.

Notice the careful choice of the words here "refused those...in need", used to stir your emotions as you picture the needy being turned away because the S.Baptists were refusing to hand "it" (any water at all) out to the needy in their time of need.

This is just a bald-faced lie designed to injure the SBC's reputation as these Baptists continued doing volunteer work to help people.

This premeditated lie was attempting(and succeeded) to make people believe that the SBC volunteers were somehow delaying or 'denying' water to people as they lingered, in thirst (LIE).

An honest article that was not trying to do an ungrateful hatchet job on SBC volunteers could have said:
Members of the Southern Baptist Convention handed out water to people and everyone got water as it came to their turn in line.
And the SB servers never stopped handing out water, or caused any extraordinary delays for anyone receiving water. They kept handing out water, they just didn't hand out Anheiser Busch water.

Residents lined up for miles to receive food and water at the distribution point. But the water was left on the sidelines by the Alabama-based group.

Notice, the story says they waited in line for water (any water) and then cleverly switches to 'the water' to make you think that those waiting in line for water (any water) did not get water (any water), because the water (only the AB water) was left on the sidelines. (LIE) There was plenty of other water still being handed out all along.

Whoever wrote and approved this lying propaganda had only one goal in mind. They wanted to injure the SBC's image in the eyes of the public, because they disagree with SB views on morality manifested here by the SBCs stand against producers of alcohol.

The people behind this story wanted to find some way to mount an unjustified attack, so they used propaganda.

150 posted on 10/31/2005 5:26:41 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Liberals always lie about everything.---- The ACLU needs to be investigated and exposed.)
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To: All
See post #150

For the Truth.

151 posted on 10/31/2005 5:29:34 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Liberals always lie about everything.---- The ACLU needs to be investigated and exposed.)
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To: petitfour
What would Jesus do? Give out clean drinking water? Or set it aside because the water was donated by a sinner?

They did give out clean drinking water, the entire time. The story was purposely misleading to give the SBC a cheap shot instead of appreciation for all their hard work.

See post 150

152 posted on 10/31/2005 5:40:07 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Liberals always lie about everything.---- The ACLU needs to be investigated and exposed.)
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To: Between the Lines

I think they refuse to work with Catholics too.

Budweiser has bottling facilities. They can bottle (can) water as well as beer. This costs money. They also lose money because they lose the production of beer the line would have made. If they put their name on it, they can at least write it off. I think it's a friendly corporate thing to do. It's the right thing to do.

Somebody joked about RJR putting meds in cigarettes, but a few years ago Phillip Morris made commercials showing their Miller Beer division bottling and passing out water to storm victims, so this is nothing new.

I don't know what to say about the SBC but sometimes they seem to almost go out of their way to offend people that aren't part of their cult, I mean sect.


153 posted on 10/31/2005 5:45:19 PM PST by ichabod1 (Scalia)
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To: OriginalIntent

Sorry, I've read through the thread and its pretty clear. It was a stupid thing for them to do. Water is water, and all of it has labels on it. Big deal.

I'm glad to hear that they don't need any more donations, if they can afford to be so choosy about what they'll stoop to pass out.


154 posted on 10/31/2005 5:57:54 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 900 knives and counting!)
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To: Between the Lines
The can in question:


155 posted on 10/31/2005 5:59:29 PM PST by Species8472 (If religion is the opiate of the people than Islam is crack cocaine)
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To: OriginalIntent
Excellent post!
156 posted on 11/02/2005 1:40:53 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Ramius
...its pretty clear. It was a stupid thing for them to do. Water is water...

I think passing out water to people in need is a good thing. They were volunteers and all the needy received water without delay. The article was calculated, misleading propaganda.

157 posted on 11/02/2005 2:00:52 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Liberals always lie about everything.---- The ACLU needs to be investigated and exposed.)
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