Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pastor electrocuted during baptism [Texas]
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 31, 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:51:37 PM PST by aculeus

A US pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his Texas church when he grabbed a microphone while partially submerged, a church employee said.

The Reverend Kyle Lake, 33, was standing in water up to his shoulder in a baptismal in front of 800 people at University Baptist Church when he was electrocuted yesterday, said Jamie Dudley, a church business administrator.

Doctors in the congregation unsuccessfully performed chest compressions for 40 minutes, Dudley said.

The woman Lake was baptising was not injured, Dudley said.

Pastors at University Baptist Church routinely use a microphone during baptisms, Dudley said.

"He was grabbing the microphone so everyone could hear," Dudley said.

"It's the only way you can be loud enough."

About 800 people attended the morning service, which was larger than normal because it was homecoming weekend at nearby Baylor University, Dudley said.

Lake, who had a wife and three children, had been at the church for nine years, the last seven as pastor, Dudley said.

AP


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: baptism; electrifying; electrocution; ieee; kylelake; nesc; pastor; thelordcalledhimhome; waco; wrathofgod
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160 ... 181-199 next last
To: xjcsa

While looking for their web site, I did see a listing for the church which showed it with a contemporary service.


121 posted on 10/30/2005 8:21:43 PM PST by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: Hilltop
This young pastor was performing a most sacred act, that which even Jesus did to please his father, baptism.

You are absolutely right; he was performing a sacred right...

...not giving a performance.

Lose the microphone, and speak up; either the crowd will, in their solemn silence, hear; if not, then they also mistake it for a social event.

What is next, spot lights? Stage lighting?

No, God does not appreciate being mocked.

122 posted on 10/30/2005 8:23:18 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
Curious. I googled this and found no local source for this story from Waco. The only links that came up were to the AP wire story, identical to the posted article.

There really is a University Baptist Church in Waco and there are many references to Kyle Lake being a pastor there. One of the most interesting is a 1998 article about "post-modern fundamentalists" in the uber-left propaganda rag Mother Jones. It has this to say about Pastor Lake:

In Waco, after Seay's sermon, Kyle Lake, a University Baptist pastor, leads an orientation meeting for prospective new members. He talks about how during the Enlightenment, God was held suspect because he was invisible, then continues on to discuss Descartes, science and reason, and the failings of "progress." "Mankind," he concludes, "has gone to hell."

Kyle Lake was apparently the author of several books, btw, including Understanding Prayer: A fresh approach to conversation with God.

123 posted on 10/30/2005 8:25:25 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (British by birth and bloodline; American by choice and bloodshed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aculeus

There's no microphone near my church's baptismal font.


124 posted on 10/30/2005 8:26:50 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TXnMA
Gosh, I'm glad for you! I think I'll have to remember that you're out there reading next time I'm about to post.

"A Republican will tell you that you shouldn't make fun of disabled people, and he's right. A Democrat will tell you that you can't make fun of disabled people - which is untrue, as anyone who's ever heard the joke about Helen Keller falling down a well and breaking three fingers calling for help will tell you." - P.J. O'Rourke

I really care what you have to say, you know?

That was sarcasm, too, you humorless tightass.

125 posted on 10/30/2005 8:31:50 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Miers did the right thing. Now the President can, by appointing Alex Kozinski, 9th Circuit COA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]

To: Issaquahking
Just spotted this ping. I have heard of this (what happened in the church) many times, but there is no one possible cause, there are a few.

48vdc is enough with the proper loop to stop a heart. It requires somewhere in excess of 20ma (milliampere) of current flow. So mic power on the older systems can do it. The newer ones use less juice, or powered mics.

The tank or pool would have been grounded through the plumbing or any device.

There is a second and more probable cause, and that is the tank heater. They frequently warm the water with a submersible warmer that is usually 220VAC. If is was still in place and in the tank, he would have grounded himself though the Mic which is attached to the amp chassis ground if it had metal parts in the handle. If the heating element was shorted, or miswired, he would have received a 120VAC shock directly through his chest, and if the mic was in the left hand, his heart would have been directly in the path. The left hand would be worse than the right, but both could kill.

The second situation is more likely than the first, but I don't know how old the PA was, or what sort of mic was used,. (electret condenser, or cartoid) are but two types and the voltages vary widely.
126 posted on 10/30/2005 8:31:57 PM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]

I don't see why so many people find the death of a good Christian to be something worth joking about.


127 posted on 10/30/2005 8:32:31 PM PST by SmoothTalker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch

how is using a microphone mocking God?


128 posted on 10/30/2005 8:33:28 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (The search for someone to blame is always successful. - Robert Half)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: Drago

Post 33 - most informative link on musician electrical safety.


129 posted on 10/30/2005 8:40:23 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: aculeus

This is so tragic. The article said over 800 people in attendance. I'm sure many would have been children. I see nothing "funny" in this at all.


130 posted on 10/30/2005 8:46:14 PM PST by Jessarah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InvisibleChurch
It is not the microphone, per se; it is the treating it as a performance, with an audience.

Ministers, pre electric, preached entire services to much larger crowds, who had no trouble hearing BECAUSE THEY LISTENED. Proper acoustics also helped.

I've seen too many services that were way too much "show" and not enough "tell".

Just a bit of the old Puritan and Huguenot ancestry showing through, maybe.
131 posted on 10/30/2005 8:46:19 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies]

To: Billthedrill
"Can I get uh witnessssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaappppppp."
132 posted on 10/30/2005 9:50:45 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It's easier to save others than it is to save yourself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ciexyz
There's no microphone near my church's baptismal font.

But your pastor doesn't get in the water, does he (or she)? As I recall you are PCUSA, and dunking, while permitted, is exceedingly rare in most Presbyterian churches. Does the preacher use a wireless mike?

Most churches I've seen with a baptismal pool have either had the mike aimed in from the front or dropped from above. That being said, neither arrangement should require the preacher to adjust it. If the signal isn't loud enough, the sound guy should be able to provide sufficient boost.

133 posted on 10/30/2005 10:11:19 PM PST by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch
Lose the microphone

How big is the room where your services are held? Does your preacher do 3 back to back services (with sermons in excess of 30 minutes). Can he yell loud enough to be heard in an overflow room or two on another floor?

And it's clear that your church doesn't have a tape ministry, or web streaming. Either of those would require a microphone. What is next, spot lights? Stage lighting?

It can help with the quality of the video feed to the overflow room, but I agree with modern equipment, it is not entirely necessary.

134 posted on 10/30/2005 10:21:39 PM PST by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: PAR35
You misapprehend on two counts.

1. I was speaking specifically of the Baptism.

2. I also mentioned services in pre-electronic times.

Modern church services are another matter entirely.

My church does have a tape ministry, televised rebroadcast of services, and Internet streaming, both video or audio-only.

I'm not sure if it adds or detracts from the services; probably depends on age and background. MTV generation probably likes and expects it; my grandmother would have been scandalized; it is obvious I'm ambivalent.

I might add that, in a church, I prefer acoustic instruments to amplified; pipe organs over electronic; candles to controlled electric lighting...but a good preacher trumps any and all of those.
135 posted on 10/31/2005 12:10:59 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: WildTurkey
But I never did get my question answered on the last one!

Neither did the pastor.

I have to wonder though, who is now more worried about the future, the pastor's flock, or the person being baptized at the moment of the event?

136 posted on 10/31/2005 12:19:36 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch

Oh spit. Having a disaster occur at a baptism does not equate to divine displeasure. Someone could give a baptism in the ocean and find the event visited by a man eating shark or lose the celebrant to a rip tide; does that mean God frowned upon that baptism?

I got dunked under similar circumstances. I stepped up to the mike (a larger church lent our little church the use of the baptismal) and gave my testimony of conversion then the pastor said on mike "I now baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; Amen." (Sploosh!) If this was show biz, it was DULL show biz. But it along with the others who joined at that occasion was inspiring in a different sense to those who heard.


137 posted on 10/31/2005 12:28:02 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: xjcsa

0.1 amps is all it takes to have a fatal electric accident. The current flowing through the body at 0.1 amps is generally more of concern than the voltage, although if provided sufficient voltage differential, the current maybe implied.


138 posted on 10/31/2005 12:28:25 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch

FWIW, we are condemned before we are saved. If the person being baptized, wasn;t to be saved, it's not the physical baptism, but the regeneration of the spirit or baptism by the Holy SPirit that results in salvation. That's for God to discern anyway.

Every sin committed has already been paid for on the Cross. Those who continue to rebel in sin might suffer the sin unto death if they reject his discipline and are simply good for nothingness if they remain by His plan, but most probably this was a simple blunder resulting in manslaughter.


139 posted on 10/31/2005 12:34:58 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

Of course we know that sin has resulted in death and suffering in the world that doesn't care whether the person who dies or suffers was saved or not. An equally possible scenario from our point of view is that, a la Job, Satan asked God for permission to wreak this disaster and for inscrutable reasons God said yes.


140 posted on 10/31/2005 12:42:19 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 139 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160 ... 181-199 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson