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Fires Of 'Civil War' Erupts In Paris
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 10-30-2005 | Jason Burke

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:06:42 PM PST by blam

Fires of 'civil war' erupt in Paris

Police in street battles after two teenagers die in chase

Jason Burke in Paris
Sunday October 30, 2005
The Observer (UK)

Hundreds of French youths fought with police and set cars ablaze in a northern Paris suburb early yesterday morning in a second successive night of rioting.

The disorder was triggered last week when two teenagers were electrocuted and killed in a local substation while fleeing from police. French authorities insist they were running away from officers investigating a break-in, but people in Clichy-sous-Bois claim that the dead youths had committed no crime.

Yesterday afternoon a silent march was held to the town hall in the centre of the suburb. Many protesters wore T-shirts bearing the message: 'Dead for Nothing'.

'We respect the republic, said Siako Karne, the brother of one of the dead men. 'The republic has to respect us.'

Firefighters extinguished more than 30 burning cars and dozens of dustbins pushed into makeshift barricades on Friday night and Saturday morning as running battles in the streets of the north-eastern suburb pitted more than 200 riot police against scores of hooded youths. At least one shot was fired at the police, 19 people were detained and 15 officers and one journalist injured, an official spokesman said.

An officer from police trade union Action Police CFTC called for help from the army to support police officers. 'There's a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,' Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. 'My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting.'

Clichy-sous-Bois is home to 28,300 people a large number of whom are recent immigrants from North or Central Africa. Most live in rundown, low-rise public housing estates. Unemployment rates are among the highest in France and many locals see the police as 'the enemy'.

Claude Dilain, Socialist mayor of the suburb, called for an 'efficient, rapid and transparent investigation' into the deaths of the two teenagers. A relative of one of the dead youths, who were identified by local media as 15-year-old Banou and 17-year-old Ziad, said that the two were among nine boys were playing football and 'doing nothing wrong'. 'But one of them did not have an identity card, and so they were scared when they saw the police and ran,' she said.

According to the mayor, 'no particular recent tension' preceded the riots.

The violence has focused attention once more on France's Interior Minster, Nicholas Sarkozy. Sarkozy, whose law and order policies have drawn frequent criticism from human rights groups, launched a new offensive against crime this month, ordering specially trained police to tackle 25 tough neighbourhoods in cities across France.

Delphine Batho, the opposition Socialist Party security spokesperson, called for 'serious answers' to the questions raised by the violence.


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KEYWORDS: civil; cristalsemaine; erupt; fires; jailchirac; muslims; paris; trop; war
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To: uscabjd

It's the 5% rule.

Before a minority hits 5% they are "exotic". Once they hit 5% they are "those people".

Now, blacks in France are becoming "those people" instead of Josephine Baker, Nina Simone exotic.


61 posted on 10/30/2005 5:59:30 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: ReaganLegion

everyone in the photos are from north africa except one he looks senegalese.


62 posted on 10/30/2005 6:01:30 PM PST by magua
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To: blam
Shoot 'em dead in the street like dogs. Hundreds of them. Heads on pikes in front of every Muslim banlieu.

-ccm

63 posted on 10/30/2005 6:04:31 PM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: blam

France must be brought before the UN and the International Criminal Court.

The French government killing innocent minority Muslim youth must be against international law.

/S


64 posted on 10/30/2005 6:06:05 PM PST by RJL
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To: MNJohnnie

Well, not quite a thousand years. But you are right that the Romans had to deal with invaders for a long time before their empire was established. Caesar's conquest of Gaul was the final push-back of that ancient threat. And by that time they were in contact with the Germans. And of course, "Rome" never fell until 1453. Most people have never read that part of Gibbon. I understand that Napoleon intended to re-take Constantinople and makes it the capital of an empire that reached to India. Good thing he never had the naval power.


65 posted on 10/30/2005 6:06:15 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam

66 posted on 10/30/2005 6:08:23 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: ReaganLegion
Beurger King Muslim

That's actually kind of a funny pun, since "beur" is French slang for a Muslim youth.

Looks like they have learned about co-opting the pejorative from Western leftists.

-ccm

67 posted on 10/30/2005 6:09:50 PM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: ccmay

I like the way you think brother


68 posted on 10/30/2005 6:10:44 PM PST by JOHANNES801
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To: Chickensoup
Is it PC to call them Africans instead of MOSLEMS?

I don't know, it seems pretty nasty to me, it implies they are blacks. That's going to be the impression people get when you say African.

Where's Jessie Jackson?

69 posted on 10/30/2005 6:11:32 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the Truth, Journalists write "Stories")
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To: blam; All

Here's an interesting article by Theodore Dalrymple from 2002 discussing the problems engendered by the North African slums in the Parisian suburbs.

The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris (The Underclass in France)
City Journal ^ | Fall 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/775282/posts


70 posted on 10/30/2005 6:16:01 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: blam

bump


71 posted on 10/30/2005 6:16:14 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: AD from SpringBay
"So if the French have a civil war who surrenders first?"

All of Dhimmi western Europe will surrender first, of course. ...must be something about their religion.

"I warned Bush about Iraq: Italy's PM"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1512263/posts
72 posted on 10/30/2005 6:29:39 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Neanderthal
How about "Muhammedans?"

I prefer Islamic Swine.

ML/NJ

73 posted on 10/30/2005 6:30:31 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: blam
Hundreds of French youths fought with police and set cars ablaze in a northern Paris suburb early yesterday morning in a second successive night of rioting.

Nothing about Muslims there. Move on, nothing to see here...

Those idiots will ignore Islam until the last European is beheaded.

74 posted on 10/30/2005 6:34:35 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: ChadGore

That is just wrong!

They're still using the single shot, instead of the endless-chain auto loader model!

And here I thought the Muzzies were backward!

75 posted on 10/30/2005 6:46:29 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: blam

Moslems? Africans? Moors? It's really Third World scum no matter how you cut it. Why did (does) France let them in???


76 posted on 10/30/2005 7:07:41 PM PST by Pittsburg Phil
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To: ReaganLegion

The Moebus strip of civil wars.


77 posted on 10/30/2005 7:12:32 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: All
Muzzies? Islamic Slime? How about neighbor?

Find em in your zipcode here:  IslamicFinder.com

78 posted on 10/30/2005 7:15:07 PM PST by FreeRadical (Close the Borders. Learn English. Monitor Muslims. Any Questions?)
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To: cripplecreek

"I would be happy if they called then North Africans."

I would be happy if you called them turds.


79 posted on 10/30/2005 7:20:34 PM PST by henderson field
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To: RobbyS
.....migrations across borders by partially romanized peoples.

Actually, that was only the intitial movements by the Germanic peoples. The serious invasions came less that a century later, when the tribes arrived that every one else was running from.

The Huns and their allied tribes, such as the Goths, were barbarians by any measure. So were the Vandals, the Saxons, the Angles and quite a few other tribes.

80 posted on 10/30/2005 7:20:34 PM PST by jimtorr
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