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Thoughts On Urban Survival (Post-Collapse Life in Argentina)
Frugal Squirrels ^ | Oct. 20, 2005 | Fernando, an Argentine Architect

Posted on 10/29/2005 10:13:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee; All
Please go to the link and read the complete essay. Better yet, print it out for future reference, and pass it on to anyone you care about.

Good article.

Good advice. Thanks!

( The rest of Y'all better read it, too, ya heah? )

21 posted on 10/29/2005 12:16:53 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Travis McGee
What I excerpted is only about 10% of the article. It's worth registering to read it all, honestly.

Man...I couldn't agree more. This is easily one of the most important posts I've ever seen on FR, especially if this is the direction America is headed, as many believe. Even if you think you know it all when it comes to this scenario, you will still learn things that you may have never even considered, from a man that is actually living it. Thanks, Travis...spread the word! (Worth registering? That's an understatement!)

22 posted on 10/29/2005 12:27:57 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: janetgreen
Frightening essay that every American should read, because it might be our dismal future if the political climate in our country doesn't turn around.

Well it was total financial collapse that was the proximate cause for the situation in Argentina. Politics as something, but not everything, to do with economics. A lot of seeds have been sown already in the USA. Dollars, once printed are out there. Debt, once issues is out there. Manufacturing, once lost, is not easily re-established. It may be that regardless of whether (the increasingly similar) Donkey or Elephant party is in power that the seeds sown will result in the proverbial bitter harvest. Soon.

23 posted on 10/29/2005 12:33:25 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Travis McGee

I can not find the article in the website, where is it found?


24 posted on 10/29/2005 12:43:55 PM PDT by Cruz
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To: Cruz
I can not find the article in the website, where is it found?

That happened to me the first time...couldn't find it. Logged back out, and clicked on the link at the beginning of this thread once again. Took me straight to it.

25 posted on 10/29/2005 12:47:41 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: Travis McGee

sheesh, pretty scary stuff!


26 posted on 10/29/2005 12:50:51 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Sending a Halloween nightmare your way.


27 posted on 10/29/2005 12:51:29 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Travis McGee; Cacique; Calpernia

Really sad. What was once the sixth wealthiest country per head in the 1920s, attracting immigrants from all over, has let itself go to hell. The only thing that seems to be growing in BA these days is gay tourism.


28 posted on 10/29/2005 12:55:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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Interesting bump.


29 posted on 10/29/2005 1:18:36 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Travis McGee

Bump for reference, but won't have the money to pay internet fee to come back and read it.


30 posted on 10/29/2005 1:23:26 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Travis McGee
The misery and famine lead us to a situation where, even though you have food, shelter and health care, most of others don’t, and therefore they get sick and spread the diseases all over the region.

This is the strongest argument for some sort of universal medical coverage.

31 posted on 10/29/2005 1:25:21 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Travis McGee
As to the basics of urban survival Tom Browns books are "best" general information on URBAN SURVIVAL and as to remote locations during times of widespread illness the plan is almost identical. We have good filtered water for drinking an the ice maker in the fridge.

I suppose if a major epidemic was revealed today that I'd go with what I like to call cacooning. Eating at home only, no resturants, lots of handwashing at work, avoiding having to shop or going to the doctor etc etc ....... soap goes a long way to keeping folks healthy IMHO. A pantry and freezer full of grub is my plan.....

32 posted on 10/29/2005 1:39:19 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

ping for later!


33 posted on 10/29/2005 1:48:22 PM PDT by vrwc0915 (I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against al)
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To: Travis McGee

Fantastic. I enjoyed it very much. I even registered on the site. :-)


34 posted on 10/29/2005 1:56:59 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Travis McGee; Alice au Wonderland; Squantos; Dead Corpse

the short-term solution, in the event of national collapse, is certainly clans and tribes (which is the short-version of what the author advocates)
large enough to control and work a sufficient amount of land
large enough to include a wide skill set
large enough to deter raiders
small enough to keep health needs and consequences down

the value an individual has in a tribe depends entirely on the real and practical resources he brings to the tribe.
Those with no skills or resources will have little or no value to a tribe, and under the conditions of a complete social collapse it is unlikely the tribe will have either motive or capacity to support dead weight.

It would thus behoove every individual to spend their leisure time learning new skills, building a network of *useful* friends, and doing a little prep... just in case circumstances force a change in career.


35 posted on 10/29/2005 2:17:17 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Travis McGee

Forgot I was already registered at that site.....awesome read.

I still carry my rifle to and from though.....:o)

That Doc friend of his was billy bad ass if he took on six in an ambush, killed 4, wounded one before they got him with his Glock 40.......wow !

I'll go back and finish the article....Thanks for the info ! I'll pass on the info for sure !


36 posted on 10/29/2005 2:20:14 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Jack Black
It may be that regardless of whether (the increasingly similar) Donkey or Elephant party is in power that the seeds sown will result in the proverbial bitter harvest. Soon.

I agree. The "two" parties have become one. That's why I'm a strong advocate for the emergence of a strong third party made up of "the rest of us" who don't want our country turned into a third world dump.

The "two" parties have done nothing to stop this, and most of them are following the money and the power trip no matter the consequences to America.

37 posted on 10/29/2005 2:31:57 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Borax Queen; LNewman; WatchingInAmazement; calrighty; NewRomeTacitus; DumpsterDiver

PING!


38 posted on 10/29/2005 2:36:59 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Bump for reference, but won't have the money to pay internet fee to come back and read it.

You need a loan?

39 posted on 10/29/2005 2:42:55 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Travis McGee
I didn't read the entire article but think I got the gist of it from the excerpt.

The idea of an economic collapse has always bothered me, first began to think of it during the Carter years.

I had a professor who I still keep in touch with who is pretty much of a survivalist. He was in Army intelligence for years and spent a lot of time in South America, especially Guyana and Brazil, back in the 60's. He has a farm and bunker for his family. He tells me his wife thinks he is a nut, maybe so. I do know he has large stores of guns ammo supplies etc.

In one generation we have gone from a basically self sufficient nation to one in which if there is a technological breakdown we will be in deep trouble. I remember when hurricanes knocked out our power, how totally dependent we are on it.

Then I remember my parents raising five children on a farm with no electricity until the late 50's. How in the world did they survive? My Mother made nearly everything from soap to sausage.

I guess if forced to, most of us would eventually adapt, tho many would perish or try to live by theft.

40 posted on 10/29/2005 2:48:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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