Posted on 10/28/2005 5:30:29 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
The Russian military satellite Mozhayets-5 that was launched on Thursday failed to separate from its booster rocket Kosmos-3M.
The satellite is currently rotating in a near-earth orbit with the booster’s third stage and is sending no signals to Earth.
Officials say there was no emergency situation during the launch. All the other seven satellites were orbited successfully.
The booster was launched from the Plesetsk space center. The rocket also carried the Iranian Sina-1, China’s DMC, Norway’s NCube-2, the European Space Agency’s SSYTI Express, the UK’s TopSat, Germany’s UWE-1, and Japan’s XI-V.
The launch of the Chinese-origin Sina had been twice postponed because of technical difficulties. Sources said Iran failed to complete the Sina on schedule.
The problems with Mozhayets-5 follow the loss of a high-profile European space vehicle earlier this month and other recent failures which have made this month one of the most troublesome periods for the nation’s space program.
The European Space Agency’s CryoSat satellite was lost on Oct. 8 due to the failure of a Russian Rokot booster, dealing a major blow to the ESA, which had hoped to conduct a three-year mapping of Earth’s polar ice caps and provide more reliable data for the study of global warming.
Also this month scientists failed to recover another experimental space vehicle and lost contact with a Russian Earth-monitoring satellite.
But it works. How many have died in the US space program compared to theirs?
Simplicity is a general point of russian military products. When I studied the major always repeated "this thing is so simple that every fool can rule it". I think the space things are simple either.
You are kidding, right? The ratio is very high-on their end. Consider two instances: In 1961 or 62, a Rocket with with one or two cosmonauts in it (I can remember how many), was set to launch from Baikonur. All systems were go and the launch sequence started. When they got to the launch, the engines didnt fire-it just sat there. Was it a short? Bad Fuel line? No one knows, but what we do know is the the second stage sequence proceeded, so that while the techs and engineers cautiously approached the rocket, time was was ticking down at the second stage. When it ignited while still on the ground, it blew flaming LOX and rocket pieces all over the launch area, killing an untold amount of people including the cosmonauts.
The second one Ill cite is less dramatic-a re-entry vehicle got its chutes tangled and slammed into Siberia at about 500 miles an hour. I saw pictures of it, it was a smoking crater. Another instance occurred in 1968 when an unmanned rocket, designd to test the command module prototype for a moon trip misfired and landed in China. The primitive Chinese were stunned at the primitive nature of the rocket and module. Few westerners have seen it, but the Chinese have it on display at their Army museum. By primitive, I mean torsion and springs and pullies were major parts of the module.
Quality control has always been the bane of any Soviet or Russian industry. Times have changed, but slowly. Technology is more available to them today now that they are a "free country", than before, but they still are way behind. Consider the Kursk- that was post Soviet technology.
Anyway to answer your question the Russians have lost hundreds of people over the years versus relativley few in ours. I wouldnt get on Tupolev, Antonov or Illuyshin, either; a Lada or Zil is one thing, but something with avionics and jet engines? Forget it..
Hay, maybe there's a connection....socialist global warming satellite dies, the Iranian islamic satellite dies....hmmm.
That doesn't matter. What matters is what they are trying to do.
Rove?
Support provided by a phonebank in India...
How many have died in the US space program compared to theirs?
You are kidding, right? The ratio is very high-on their end.==
Check here the list. http://www.members.shaw.ca/kcic3/disasters.html
You may see that 4 soviet cosmomauts lost thier lifes in space missions. As same as 17 american astronuats deathes happened during space missions.
Russian cosmonauts had no losses to now. Neither dozen of foreigners who travel by Souz and 3 space tourists retuen to earth safely.
The Iranian satellite could have gone into orbit and filed electronically . Gone into orbit and yet failed
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Re: Satellite
28 October 2005 - Russia: Iranian Embassy Statement Attempts to Mitigate President's Remarks on Israel
Yesterday, we brought you the following report from Moscow, calling on Iran to basically chill on the calls for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Iran should realize the risks of propagandist rhetoric and confrontational approaches to the situation in the Middle East, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.
"We hope that Teheran realizes the danger of confrontational approaches and will demonstrated political foresight and pragmatism," the ministry said in a release in relation to Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad statement at a conference entitled A World Without Zionism.
(Description of Source: Moscow Interfax -- Nonofficial information agency known for its extensive and detailed reporting on domestic and international issues)
Today, we have a report from Russia that indicates that Iran is doing just that.
Moscow, 28 October: Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad did not want to make harsh statements about Israel, says a statement by the Iranian embassy to Russia circulated on Friday (28 October).
"Mr Ahmadinezhad had no intention of making harsh statements and causing a conflict," the document says.
(Passage omitted: Ahmadinezhad's remarks, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov's reaction)
"It is absolutely clear that the remarks made by the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mr Ahmadinezhad, reflected the principled position of Iran based on the premise that free elections should be held on the occupied territories. The Iranian government's position as regards Palestine is to create a single authority on these territories," the Iranian embassy in Moscow explained.
The statement says that Ahmadinezhad "sees the roots of the crisis in injustice and a double-standard approach". "Iran presented its plan for the settlement of the Palestinian problem a long time ago based on the return of the Palestinian refugees and the holding of free elections. In this connection, naturally, the Islamic Republic of Iran does not believe that, as a result of the elections among Jews, Muslims and Christians on that soil, a regime based on one particular race will be possible," the document says.
According to the embassy, "Zionist circles have provoked a new crisis in public opinion" in the wake of Iran "successfully proving in the world arena its right to peaceful use of nuclear energy".
"We support democracy in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries, and believe that the West's double-standard approach to the Middle East problems is yet another reason that there is no peace in this region," says the statement of the Iranian embassy.
(Description of Source: Moscow RIA-Novosti in Russian -- Government information agency, part of the state media holding company; located at www.rian.ru)
Wonder if the newly launched Iranian satellite will start working now. (See related article below.)
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28 October 2005 - Oops. Looks like that Iranian satellite isn't working
One of the two satellites the Russians launched for Iran yesterday isn't working.
What a shame.
Russia: No Signals Being received From Mozhayets-5 Satellite
MOSCOW, October 28 (Itar-Tass) - A contingency situation has occurred on the Russian satellite Mozhayets-5 that was launched from the Plesetsk spaceport on Thursday. The satellite has failed to detach from the third stage of the carrier rocket, sources at the northern cosmodrome told Itar-Tass on Friday.
"According to the latest telemetric data, the Mozhayets has not detached from the third stage of the Kosmos-3M carrier rocket and is currently rotating with it on a near-earth orbit," the official said. "No signals are received from the satellite," he added.
Seven foreign satellites were launched together with the Mozhayets. "All of them have been successfully placed in the prescribed orbits and their control transferred to the customers," the spaceport sources said.
"The separation of the satellites from carrier rockets took place on Thursday outside the radio visibility zone of Russian follow-up systems. The first telemetric information from the satellites came to the Earth an hour after launch," the cosmodrome sources specified.
"It is not ruled out that the ground-based services mixed up the signal from the Iranian Sinab-1 with the Mozhayets - the satellites were detaching from the carrier rocket with an interval of several seconds," the official said.
The experimental space research spacecraft Mozhayets-5 was the main payload during the launch. With its help cadets of Russia's oldest military educational establishment - the Mozhaisky Military-Space Academy had planned to master control over spacecraft and learn to analyse the telemetric information transmitted from them in a command-and-measurement complex.
Aside from the Iranian satellite the Kosmos booster placed in orbit satellites of China, Great Britain, the European Space Agency, Germany, Japan and Norway.
It could have failed for any reason - but neither its hoped for failure nor any causes thereof are contained in the posted text, therefore the said failure has to remain a conjectural hope till further information becomes available.
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