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Newport News Daily Press ^ | 28 Oct 05 | Editorial

Posted on 10/28/2005 5:11:35 AM PDT by Jonah Hex

When guns undermine community, is anyone really safer?

October 28, 2005

It's tricky when what's legal runs counter to what's generally accepted, when one man exercising his rights frightens or disrupts those around him.

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Nothing can guarantee safety, but certainly community comes closer to providing safety than firearms. Community is what allows the vast, vast majority of people to go about their everyday business without carrying weapons.

Just because you can do something - like wear a gun to public meetings - doesn't mean that you should do it. Those who insist upon it undermine community.

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According to the editors, exercising an individual legal and constitutional right is trumped when the "community" may be frightened.

It takes a village idiot...

1 posted on 10/28/2005 5:11:35 AM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ping for your Constitutional attention/disgust/comment...
2 posted on 10/28/2005 5:13:19 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Life's a beta, then you die." - overheard in City of Villains)
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To: Jonah Hex

Sounds like the Newport News editorial staff is made up of weak-kneed sissies who are easily frightened at the sight of weapons.


3 posted on 10/28/2005 5:17:51 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Jonah Hex

What the heck is "community"? Based on the writer's apparent worldview, I can only assume it means that everyone is nice to each other, therefore self-defense tools aren't necessary.

This guy (like other gun-control advocates) is either misinformed or has a nefarian agenda. Those are the only choices when it comes to this issue.


4 posted on 10/28/2005 5:18:22 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Jonah Hex

"Just because you can do something - like wear a gun to public meetings - doesn't mean that you should do it. Those who insist upon it undermine community."

This needs a re-write:

Just because you can do something - like write Marxist, collectivist drivel - doesn't mean that you should do it. Those who insist upon writing ridiculous pap wear "stupid" on their sleeves.


5 posted on 10/28/2005 5:19:06 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundwear "stupid" on theation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Jonah Hex

"Community" is being used to describe the greater community at large as in "we are our brothers keeper". In other words, they are pushing the usual leftist agenda.


6 posted on 10/28/2005 5:19:58 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Jonah Hex

Just because the Constitution says that you can print all the drivel and hackneyed hog slop that you want doesn't mean that you should do it...........


7 posted on 10/28/2005 5:20:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've eaten so much crow in my life that I'm immune to bird flu.........)
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To: Jonah Hex
Community is what allows the vast, vast majority of people to go about their everyday business without carrying weapons.

And when that sense of community decays, as it has in the self-absorbed culture the Left has spawned, that nebulous protection vanishes, to be replaced by hard steel and soft lead.

Those who insist upon [carrying guns] undermine community.

But law-defying homosexuals, foul-mouthed "rappers," welfare parasites, and partisan politicians like Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton don't? This writer's concern for "community" seems oddly selective.

8 posted on 10/28/2005 5:21:42 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Jonah Hex

I love it when the cops complain about citizens wearing their guns, as if they are the only ones who are bestowed with proper judgement. Maybe this guy is telling them there is a problem with how they do their job, and they don't like it.


9 posted on 10/28/2005 5:22:45 AM PDT by opticks
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To: Disambiguator

We have a great community here in Montana. Everyone is armed.


10 posted on 10/28/2005 5:23:07 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: Jonah Hex
These folks are such morons:

The problem is, we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys, the cool heads from the hot heads, just by looking at them. Criminals don't always look like criminals, so when we see a stranger with a gun, it will never be our first instinct to be reassured.

What about cops? Are there no bad cops? How can you tell the difference by looking at them?

11 posted on 10/28/2005 5:24:49 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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Nothing can guarantee safety, but certainly community comes closer to providing safety than firearms. Community is what allows the vast, vast majority of people to go about their everyday business without carrying weapons.

Well, to play devil's advocate here ~ yeah, most people do go about in public without a visible firearm.

Most people go about their public business unarmed, based upon the social perception that others will be unarmed too, and that the "community" (cops)serves as the sole legitimate possessor of force.

In many communities, the vast majority of people accept their place in a society governed by the unstated social contract; meaning that they are basically law-abiding people who expect the same from others. Kinda like living in small-town America where nobody bothers locking their doors at night.

In some communities, however, where there is a different social fabric, and it isn't safe to assume that everyone else will respect the rules. In some communities, large segments of the population tend to go wild and loot the neighborhood when the power goes out.

There, ya need a gun, because the gangbanger demanding your generator probably has one.

12 posted on 10/28/2005 5:24:59 AM PDT by Kenton (Tagline for rent)
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To: Jonah Hex

35+ States allow some degree of concealed carry and several open carry. Get used to it. The fact that the criminals are carrying illegally all around them doesn't seem to bother these dim-bulbs.


13 posted on 10/28/2005 5:26:08 AM PDT by n230099
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To: claudiustg

That sounds great, but I'm sure it's not what the writer had in mind.

He should read Heinlein.

"An armed society is a polite society."


14 posted on 10/28/2005 5:27:03 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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when one man exercising his rights frightens or disrupts those around him

Oh, for the LOVE of God

You have THE RIGHT to pursue happiness. You DO NOT have the right NOT to be frightened.

15 posted on 10/28/2005 5:28:05 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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Dear Jonah Hex,

Please clean up that certain part of the Newport News "community" where even armed citizens fear to tread (and at night that includes the cops).


16 posted on 10/28/2005 5:28:25 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Why does a mirror reverse the image left to right but not up and down?)
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"According to the editors, exercising an individual legal and constitutional right is trumped when the "community" may be frightened."

I wonder if this fool thinks the same high regard for community applies in the case of someone exercising their First Amendment rights to Free Speech?
17 posted on 10/28/2005 5:30:51 AM PDT by Chicha Kazembe
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To: Jonah Hex

Just because you can do something - like wear a gun to public meetings - doesn't mean that you should do it. Those who insist upon it undermine community.

Here's a few things that really "undermine community": Bumper stickers and t-shirts with vulgar and curse words; "music" about beating your women; pants worn below the butt; movies where every other word is f***; a cross in a jar of urine and called "art";...

18 posted on 10/28/2005 5:32:32 AM PDT by libertylover (Liberal: A blatant liar who likes to spend other people's money.)
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To: n230099
35+ States allow some degree of concealed carry and several open carry.

The times have changed. 46 States have some form of concealed carry permit system.

Rights are like muscles. If you do not use them, you lose them.

19 posted on 10/28/2005 5:37:42 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: CPOSharky
Yep, I went ballistic when I read that tripe this morning. I just HAD to share that with my fellow Freepers.
20 posted on 10/28/2005 5:38:08 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Life's a beta, then you die." - overheard in City of Villains)
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