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He has a point. Billy Kristol's stock-in-trade is to blame Bush for not implementing Kristol's neoconservative vision with the required finesse.

That way, Kristol hopes, Kristol won't get blamed for the mess in Iraq, even though Kristol's crowd said victory would be easy and we would find caches of WMDs

1 posted on 10/25/2005 9:12:26 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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The world according to Howard Fineman.


2 posted on 10/25/2005 9:13:47 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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The only point Howie has is on the top of his head.


3 posted on 10/25/2005 9:16:26 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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Kristol is a weasel and who cares what he says


4 posted on 10/25/2005 9:17:42 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: churchillbuff

NewsWEAK strikes again.


6 posted on 10/25/2005 9:18:32 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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You wrote:

"..That way, Kristol hopes, Kristol won't get blamed for the mess in Iraq, even though Kristol's crowd said victory would be easy and we would find caches of WMDs"

I guess the New York Times and Washington Post crowd is a bunch of Neo-Cons as well...because after 911 they were gunning for Saddam's head too!! Don't be a tool. (wink)

I know what u mean about Krystal...but don't bite the bait being throw over in bloody waters by the left in this country..swim deeper....lol


8 posted on 10/25/2005 9:19:52 PM PDT by penelopesire
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As long as the terrorists are willing to show up in Iraq and fight there, we don't need an exit strategy.


9 posted on 10/25/2005 9:20:40 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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Who's "Kristol's crowd"? Everyone I know that fully supports this war would never have suggested such things.

As for victory being "easy", there is no such thing in war. But it most likely would have been achieved by now if political correctness wasn't infused into the way it has been fought to assuage the naysayers, such as yourself.

And my guess is that you don't just throw away WMDs in the trash and that there is a process to dismantling them, no? If that is the case, where is the evidence that they were truly destroyed considering the fact that we know they existed (we sold them to him)? Why wouldn't Saddam comply if he knew he needed the proof to avoid war? And are you suggesting that weapons could never be smuggled?
15 posted on 10/25/2005 9:28:00 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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It's a toss up as to who is more loathesome to me, Kristol or Fineman..LOL


23 posted on 10/25/2005 9:38:50 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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Fineman's article is based on the false premise that the "neo-conservatives" are actually conservative. The reality is that they are nothing more than big-government globalists who have no real principles at all.

In the past I've speculated that no more than 20% of the so-called "neo-conservatives" are registered Republicans. Does anyone know Bill Kristol's party affiliation?

24 posted on 10/25/2005 9:42:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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The only people to blame for the mess in Iraq all speak Arabic.


30 posted on 10/25/2005 9:55:01 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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Another Fineman overreaching analysis. These MSM types will say and do anything to take down the Reps. They keep on trying to replay Vietnam and Watergate.


37 posted on 10/25/2005 10:01:06 PM PDT by kabar
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This is another made up conflict in the MSM.

Destroying and repelling those who promote evil and chaos has always been a mission of civilization. "Neo-con" is not and never was a new, unusual ideology.

For a while we simply forgot that bad people will kill us, if we let them. 9/11 reminded the nation that we needed to get back to work.


39 posted on 10/25/2005 10:03:12 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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President George W. Bush may have no military exit strategy for Iraq, but the “neocons” who convinced him to go to war there have developed one of their own—a political one: Blame the Administration.

Yeah, "blame" the Administration for the fact that Saddam Hussein is in a cell, Uday Hussein and Qusay Hussein are in a morgue, Iraq has held democratic elections and approved a Constitution which guarantees fundamental freedoms unheard-of in the Arab world. Let's make good and sure the Administration gets every drop of "blame" for this.

That way, Kristol hopes, Kristol won't get blamed for the mess in Iraq...

What mess in Iraq? Have you been listening to the mainstream media again?

Things in Iraq aren't perfect. But they've been consistently improving, regardless of the media's ceaseless accentuation of the negative.

even though Kristol's crowd said victory would be easy and we would find caches of WMDs

I suppose you're counting Hillary and Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Wesley Clark, Sandy Berger, Robert Byrd, et al as part of "Kristol's crowd" who claimed we'd find caches of WMDs?

And I got news for you... victory was easy. Fewer Americans die each day in Iraq than die from falling down the stairs. The casualty rate in Iraq is utterly minuscule compared to other armed conflicts the United States has engaged in. The victory in Iraq was a breathtaking display of staggering military competence that will be studied in schools of war for centuries.

If there's one thing I fault the Administration for, it's for being too passive in the face of extremely well-coordinated opposition, and for failing to make the obvious case that Iraq is a success.

43 posted on 10/25/2005 10:06:17 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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You keep forgetting this too:

Meanwhile, new evidence continues to trickle out of Iraq. In December 2003, the Iraqi Governing Council uncovered a document from July 2001 in which the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS), Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, describes arranging for 9/11 plotter Mohamad Atta to obtain three days of training in Baghdad by the Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, under the “direct supervision” of the IIS.


44 posted on 10/25/2005 10:06:21 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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And this probably isn't of any interest to you either:

Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.


45 posted on 10/25/2005 10:08:05 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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Oh, and those WMD that didn't exist:

The congressional resolution that gave Bush authority to launch the war, that so many Dems voted for, stated that Iraq had "the capacity to possess" WMD, a little fact that the media and Dem'Rats leave out of their rhetoric. So, ask her to prove that Bush ever said they actually had them. He and Powell, Cheney, etc., all talked about BW and CW that Iraq possessed in the past and remained unaccounted for, as U.N. mandates and the cease-fire resolution from the first Gulf War required.

Also, remind her that Bush never said that the WMD were an imminent threat, but rather that we were acting in a pre-eminent manner in order to prevent them from becoming as such.

Then we have the findings of the Iraq Survey Group; the quotes below are all taken from the "Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03," by David Kay:

“We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002.”

“A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW [Chemical and Biological Weapons] research.”

“A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW [Biological Weapons] agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.”

“Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist’s home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.”

“New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.”

“Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists’ homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).”

“A line of UAV’s [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles] not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.”

“Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.”

“Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.”

“Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.”

“With regard to Iraq’s nuclear program, the testimony we have obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear weapons. They have told ISG [Iraq Survey Group] that Saddam [Hussein] remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons.”

“In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work.”


47 posted on 10/25/2005 10:08:23 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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Oh, and you asked another freeper for a list of how the MSM connected Saddam to 9/11 and pressed for action, well here you go:

But if reporters really want to know why Americans see ties between Baghdad and 9/11, they need look no further than their own archives, where they'll find repeated and as yet undisputed reports documenting compelling evidence of Iraq's role in the attacks

A Lexis Nexis search for the three months after 9/11 turned up no fewer than 85 mainstream news reports describing, for instance, activities at the terrorist training camp Salman Pak.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984758/posts


48 posted on 10/25/2005 10:09:42 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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Oh, and you've forgotten that Saddam was behind the first WTC attack, haven't you. You really need to work on that memory.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984758/posts


50 posted on 10/25/2005 10:10:27 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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lol... Howie Fineman is your point hammer- on castigating the Admin of President G. W. Bush- and Bill Kristol is the anvil? Baffle 'em with bs and kick the lazy ones twice.


51 posted on 10/25/2005 10:11:32 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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And you've forgotten that the satellites showed Iraq military stripping the WMD sites.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1356401/posts?page=1


52 posted on 10/25/2005 10:12:22 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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