Posted on 10/21/2005 11:28:26 PM PDT by jmc1969
With the most powerful storm in recorded history weakening but every bit as devastating as its predecessors, saint, sinner and blogger alike are again wondering if God really does use nature in retribution for sin.
Bill Moyers, late of PBS and CBS television and the day's keynote speaker, cited the incredible devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina and linked it with the Genesis flood. He noted that millions of conservatives believe the biblical teaching that God brought the deluge to punish human sin and also accept "God-ordered genocide" elsewhere in the Old Testament.
Others also used the Katrina moment to level religious criticism of President Bush's administration, among them the leader of America's National Council of Churches, a bishop in Bush's own United Methodist Church, and a taped statement attributed to al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
"The country is not yet a theocracy but the Republican Party is," Moyers charged. "Democracy is in peril." He compared conservative Christian activists with Muslim
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About the only case in recent times in which I wondered if God may have intervened was the Jonestown suicides. That was a strange event among people following a truly Satanic character.
I have read that he used to stomp on a Bible during his sermons and other desecrations which I don't even want to describe.
Rosalyn carter attended his church and praised him btw.
" Do you mean a cure or do you mean you have this one surviving case in Croatia?"
Tamiflu is an antiviral drug, its purpose is to slow down the virus and give the body time to develop its own antibodies (which is the only way to fight this).
There have been no infected people in europe so far, but the drug has been proven usefull in other countries (now that we actually started producing it).
There are also 3-4 other research labs creating new drugs, in case the virus adapts to tamiflu (low possibility).
God's hand? Your call, but He does work in mysterious ways.
I thought that God was out of the flood-as-chastisement business after Noah. Sorry Chastisement crowd. Read the Bible you self-righteous reres
I thought that God was out of the flood-as-chastisement business after Noah. Sorry Chastisement crowd. Read the Bible you self-righteous reres
Does Moyers exude love and tolerance and belief in multi-culturalism? /sarcasm
Moyers is the bigoted deceitful intolerant bully who is consumed with the quest for state power and financed by wealthy unions and people like George Soros.
Bill Moyers, more and more, reminds me of Jimmy Carter, a person who tries to portray himself as a loving southern Christian, but who is a arrogant,petty, bitter, raving liberal who despises conservative Christians.
AP was kind of funny how they put Zarqawi's and Moyer's religious based attacks together.
To totally dismiss God's chastisement(tough love)upon individuals,communities and nations is unscriptural and self-righteous in itself. If He is really displeased with someone, a country or the world He can react sometimes quite forcefully to get His point across and get men to repent and seek Him. The very Bible you admonish others to read says in many places (here is a few examples) and this is all New Testament:
Romans 1:18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.
Romans 2:9 - There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Hebrews 12:1-20
1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? --"My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage when you are punished by him. 6 For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." 7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. 12 Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. 14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one fail to obtain the grace of God; that no "root of bitterness" spring up and cause trouble, and by it the many become defiled; 16 that no one be immoral or irreligious like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. 18 For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire, and darkness, and gloom, and a tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet, and a voice whose words made the hearers entreat that no further messages be spoken to them. 20 For they could not endure the order that was given, "If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned."
this is for you dear friends thank you all
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“Dear ones eto fore if child goes a straight and Father says”You surely be in pain” infore child goes and is hurt; eto whom is at fault? Then child will say “Now I understand Father” and if child in humble way returns to Father vine ino etitum child will be safe. People talk gloom fore doom --- no dear ones---- have faith--- love--- hope ---of everything will be well trust me.
Look upon life in grace infore goodness eto in eto don’t make mistake one Cherubim did of surely incontinum pain and sorrow will be forever. Dwell on saint Isaiah fore saint Ezekiel eno Saint Daniel continuum Saint John Saint Job Proverbs Saint Paul ineto everything is in front of you; read it dear ones and pray pray pray. Wisdom comes from His Majesty of Majesty Majesty of Israel. Be humble and you will be happy and know. Pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, have faith love hope; fore His Majesty of Majesty Majesty of Israel knows everything, eto fore fiat I say thy His Majesty be will. Don’t be gloom don’t be in doom infore is not what it is; hope, love, faith –eto ---- “Be not afraid”!!!!
People call this punishments eto fore is correction and warning for you to stand up and eto wakeup from lethargy of soul of your life and infore have hope everything will be well. Battle rages on of seen and unseen; eto choose wisely of which road you take. Your house is of His Majesty of Majesty house not below eto above. Happiness waits for you ore ino ore; you have to carry cross. First is Golgotha secundo is happiness.
Always no matter what happens be humble have faith love and hope eto ino eto Love is His Majesty there you will fine peace incontinum wisdom and Love; fore Love is everything Love is His Majesty of Majesty. Don’t dwell on dates, eto numbers, fore years, ore ino ore His Majesty of Majesty knows them well; in of fore dwell on love and silence and humility fore help one another and pray trust me everything will be well.”
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Amen.
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." [Matthew Chapter 25, NIV]
Great point people like Moyers want to help people on their own merits and laud their own righteouesness.
No. God promised Noah he would never destroy by flood again. He keeps His promises. Sorry.
"God purposes ALL events for His divine will. We can either perceive those events as good or bad, but ultimately He has in His heart the best interests of those whom He has called.
Romans 8:28 - "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose."
He uses all events to either chastise us, or draw us closer to Him."
Amen!!!! thank you"ItsOurTimeNow"
"God promised Noah he would never destroy by flood again."
He does keep His promises. However New Orleans and the Gulf area are not all flesh and all the earth. He meant he would not use a flood to punish all of civilization as an all encompassing final judgement. Read it Genesis. Words mean things. You are really mincing hairs here.
Genesis 9:9-12
9 "Behold, I establish my covenant with you and your descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark. 11 I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." 12 And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations.
No.
Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973
"When were the souls created? Genesis does not tell us, yet it was that breath of life = soul that was placed in the newly created flesh man that made the flesh man alive.
Telling Jeremiah that he was known before he was born of flesh seems more like being told there is a history of the soul before the flesh body is conceived.
Seems more appropriate to say that God is TIME."
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“Humanity nore Angles will understand His Majesty of Majesty. People dear people life is so simple; fore in question is question; eto infore answer is so simple; LOVE MARCY JUSTICE!!! When you see His Majesty you will know power of which is absolutely not compressible of humanity to understand. Eto ore is far beyond comprehension of humanity. Marcy will be replace with justice it has to be; of fore stay in faith and pray pray pray; I fly in high clouds now eto fore I usually don’t do this I will now to give you insight --- listen well all of you listen well --- power; magnificent of His Majesty is wither then sun eto fore stronger then anything else fore LOVE comes in power you can’t understand and power of justice and Marcy. So many people don’t understand this three LOVE MARCY JUSTICE, you have to pray and be at peace His Majesty of Majesty knows well you before you were born. Of fore His Majesty has everything infront of him eto ore in ore have trust in HIM. Lucifer has fallen of what reason --- etio pride!!!! Pride will destroy you eto ino eto be humble like His Majesty on Holy Cross. Secret of life is a gift of His Majesty Majesty of Majesty; remember all your answers are with His Majesty.”
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thank you all be strong good G-D do know
Excepting those not purposed for salvation.
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