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Post-Modernism: Its Own Worst Enemy (Ted Byfield On The Excesses Of Quebec's Statist Culture)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 10/22/05 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 10/21/2005 10:15:41 PM PDT by goldstategop

There came two declarations last week, from very different and utterly unrelated sources, but containing by implication the same message – namely that the assumptions behind our new society and new lifestyles are not true and therefore do not work.

The first came from Lucien Bouchard, who abandoned a federal Conservative government to become a Quebec separatist and now appears to be abandoning separatism to return to conservatism – not to the party, but the philosophy.

Bouchard headed a panel of 12 Quebec economists, business leaders, politicians and journalists who issued what they described as "a wake-up call" to Quebec. Unless Quebec gives up some of its most cherished ideals, said their manifesto, "in a few short years, our dreams – or rather, not ours but our children's – will be brutally interrupted by a knock on the door when the bailiff comes calling."

Quebeckers work less than other North Americans, retire earlier, have the most generous social programs, enjoy by far the lowest university fees, and run the highest credit card debts in Canada. Interest on the provincial debt, at 16 percent of revenues, is also highest in Canada. And however distasteful, Quebec must improve the teaching of English, because university graduates who speak only French are "unacceptable" in North American society.

Worst of all, because of its birth rate, lowest in North America, Quebec is about to suffer the "demographic shock" of a chronically aging population. This means "more elderly people to care for and fewer people to pay taxes," said economist Pierre Fortin. "More money going out and less coming in."

Bouchard resigned from the Conservative government led by fellow Quebecker Brian Mulroney in 1990. As separatist premier of Quebec from 1996 to 2001, he routinely blamed Quebec's economic problems on its being part of Canada. This view, too, has radically changed. As panelist Joseph Facal put it: "Whether Quebec remains a province or whether it becomes a country we will still be saddled with a massive public debt." Quebec's universities and health-care system will still be under-funded, and its hydro-electric system still problem-riddled. Neither staying in Canada nor getting out will solve these problems. "There is no miracle cure."

Since these warnings apply almost as much to Canada as they do to Quebec, they gained much national attention. Quebec, however, has led the country in its embrace of the new and rejection of the old. In 1950, the province was a virtual theocracy, its government and the Catholic church imposing a heavy puritanism on all aspects of life. Families were huge and church attendance massive.

All this vanished in little more than a decade, and today Quebec has the highest divorce rate, highest illegitimacy rate, highest abortion rate and lowest church attendance rate in Canada. The new attitudes and assumptions, all endowed by the '60s, have produced the crisis the panel describes, simply because the assumptions don't work.

Oddly, on the same day in Toronto, another celebrated citizen came out with much the same distressing message. He is Neil French, worldwide creative director of WPP Group PLC, the world's second-largest marketing company, overseeing huge agencies like Ogilvy & Mather, IWT, Young & Rubicam and Grey Worldwide. French's skill as an ad man, said one news report, "is legendary."

He was addressing an advertising conference in Toronto, and a woman asked why there were so few female creative directors.

"You can't be a great creative director and have a baby, and keep spending time off every time your kids are ill," replied French. "You can't do the job."

"Somebody has to do it, and the guy has to do it in the same way that I've had to spend months and months flying around the world and not seeing my kid. You think that's not a sacrifice? Of course it's a sacrifice. But that's the job, and that's what I do to keep my family fed."

The following day, amidst the vast brouhaha raised by the teeming feminists in the ad industry, French quit WPP, neither apologizing nor retracting, because what he had said was true and pretty well everybody in the business knew it. Furthermore, that the same reality exists in a great many other industries is also true, however unmentionable.

Some unamendable sociological principle seems to be at work here. If mothers aren't wholly committed to their job, the job suffers. If they are, the children suffer. It may be politically incorrect, but that's the way the world is, and maybe we can't change it.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: canada; culturalentropy; demographicdeath; englishcanada; frenchcanada; pomo; postmodernism; quebec; statism; tedbyfield; worldnetdaily
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Can a statist culture avoid cultural entropy and demographic death? The excesses in Quebec make it clear the answer is NO. French Canada's population has declined since the 1960s thanks to the elite's predilection for statist and socialist policies. French Canada's future looks grim but as Ted Byfield notes, English Canada should not be smug about it. Many of the same policies followed in Quebec are being implemented in Ontario. The handwriting's on the wall. Now the question is exactly what Quebecois and Canadian leaders intend to do in response to it.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

1 posted on 10/21/2005 10:15:43 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

What's amazing to me is the hold that Catholic Church used to have on Quebec until the 1960s. Then they revolutionized and fell flat on their face.

In every possible way.

I'm curious to see if they can turn the corner, and I have my doubts. I've never experienced such rampant anti-American sentiment as I did in my trips to Montreal, and frankly, they're going to have to "Americanize" themselves if they're going to make it.

Birthrates are going to really smash the Western world pretty hard soon enough. Outside of the US and Ireland, there isn't anything but bad news on that front.


2 posted on 10/21/2005 10:51:29 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: goldstategop

This is hard truth that too many reject. For women to
to "balance" career and family is virtually impossible.
The "sick" days that women accumulate hurt their workplaces.
I can see it even at the level I work at as a custodian in
a school. And as for Canada's future, unless the Liberal
party is removed and replaced by a real Conservative party,
its going down the tubes. Stephen Harper should stop trying
to isolate and ostracize himself from pro-life and pro-family Canadians including some of his own MP's. He can't
build a winning coalition with this attitude.


3 posted on 10/21/2005 11:01:52 PM PDT by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: goldstategop
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4 posted on 10/21/2005 11:53:55 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Old Seadog

For the record, I was born in Montreal. "Je me souviens" to me means remembering my history now that both of my parents are no longer living, may their memory be for a blessing. I visited the city of my birth last year. It has a charm all its own being defined by its character as an island set in the Saint Lawrence River. But I'd never live in Canada again. I am too American to ever change.


5 posted on 10/22/2005 12:22:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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...have the most generous social programs, .... , and run the highest credit card debts...

Your average liberal. Insist that everything be given to you, paid for by someone else, and run your credit cards to their max. Why be responsible for yourself?!?!

6 posted on 10/22/2005 12:28:02 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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With all that high personal debt, having a child becomes an unaffordable luxury. You wonder how our parents were able to feed, clothe and house us without all those wonderful social programs around. They're as anti-natal as abortion.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

7 posted on 10/22/2005 12:31:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Montreal is a beautiful city in rapid decline because it fell for the seductive lure of socialism and the "something for nothing" crowd. Once the headquarters of numerous multi-national corporations, Montreal now has miles of glass-fronted million-dollar buildings, all empty and all sporting huge "For Lease" signs across the front. Those companies left Montreal because continuous repressive, anti-business policies drove them out. Stupid.


8 posted on 10/22/2005 4:14:27 AM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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"For the record, I was born in Montreal. "Je me souviens" to me means remembering my history...."

I wasn't born there, but my favorite great aunt and uncle, Irish Canadians, lived there, first over in Westmount and later on the corner of Sherbrooke and Mountain, and it was my "second home town". My uncle had been a major in the Royal Canadian cavalry in WWI and was proud of his country, his province and his queen. My memories of that city are almost all good, Grey Cup at the Autostade, dinner at the cafe at the Ritz or Les Filles du Roi, late nights at Altitude 737, L'Escapade or down in Vieux Montreal and great hockey, more especially these days at the Molson Centre. The only bad memories are of the FLQ days in 1970 (?)

The city is a bit dog eared these days, but even today there's that certain panache about Montreal that years and years of socialism and the language police haven't been able to kill. I almost went to McGill for law school (around the time they put electricity in the classrooms!) and suspect had I done so I would have ended up practicing there. Much as I love the city, and the province for that matter, like you there's no way I could ever live there...but I sure like going back for visits! Comme vous, je me souviens!
9 posted on 10/22/2005 4:35:10 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: CheyennePress

"I've never experienced such rampant anti-American sentiment as I did in my trips to Montreal, and frankly, they're going to have to "Americanize" themselves if they're going to make it."

I came back from an 11 day motorcycle tour of Gaspe' about 2-1/2 months ago. I did not detect one hint of Anti-Americanism. I was treated very nicely by all the locals.


10 posted on 10/22/2005 6:24:53 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

I've made several trips to Montreal and Quebec and never ran into any anti-Americanism or even general rudeness on a personal level. I suspect that anti-American sentiment is of the abstract kind, and is not at all reflected in day-to-day interaction. For that matter, I've never had any problems in France or anywhere else in the world. The only genuine anti-Americanism I ever see abroad comes from the same people who feel that way in the US -- academics, press, assorted intellectual misfits. The overwhelming majority of people in the world couldn't care less about international politics, although they can be led around by propagandists with political agendas.


11 posted on 10/22/2005 8:20:02 AM PDT by speedy
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To: CheyennePress

Quebec, outside of Montreal, is still fairly conservative culturally, especially in the smaller towns. It's just that as it is in the other provinces or in the Northeastern states, so much of the population is concentrated in two or three big cities, that it skews the ideological balance. It should be noted that Quebec City, while still relatively liberal, is considered conservative in comparison to Montreal.


12 posted on 10/22/2005 9:01:06 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Kolokotronis

I also love Quebec, and the Irish influence there is rarely aknowleged. Brian Mulroney is probably the famous "Hibercois", but my favorite is probably Larkin Kerwin, a world-class physicist who helped to make Canada a leader in the sciences. And there's the Jewish community of Westmount, which produced Mordechai Richler, Leonard Cohen, and William Shatner.


13 posted on 10/22/2005 9:05:52 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: taxed2death
I came back from an 11 day motorcycle tour of Gaspe' about 2-1/2 months ago. I did not detect one hint of Anti-Americanism. I was treated very nicely by all the locals.

My mother was from the Gaspe. Still have relatives that live on the Baie des Chaleurs side of the peninsula. Beautiful countryside where the people are very hospitable and tourism is greatly appreciated.

14 posted on 10/22/2005 9:21:08 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

My father's people come from a pocket of Anglos in the Matapedia region, not far from the Gaspe. There isn't a prettier place or finer people on this planet.


15 posted on 10/22/2005 12:57:56 PM PDT by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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My father's people come from a pocket of Anglos in the Matapedia region, not far from the Gaspe.

Familiar with the area, the town of Matapedia is at the confluence of the Matapedia and the Ristigouche Rivers. Great salmon fishing area. There are pockets of Anglos sprinkled from Matapedia all along the south coast of the Gaspe Peninsula to the town of Gaspe on the Gulf of St. Lawrence at the far eastern end. As I said in my earlier post, this area is one of the most picturesque in eastern Canada.

16 posted on 10/22/2005 3:15:45 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: RightWingAtheist

I was born in the hospital in Westmount, according to my Quebec birth certificate. Its the Anglo part of Montreal. And as you mentioned, the Jewish Community there has produced many notable luminaries.


17 posted on 10/22/2005 4:43:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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There is a tradition in Canada of alternating between Anglo and French Prime Ministers. Chretien was of French descent. Martin is English despite being from the same province as his predecessor.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

18 posted on 10/22/2005 4:45:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Martin was born in Quebec, but grew up in my hometown, Windsor Ontario. In fact, my parent's house used to be the Martin family house.


19 posted on 10/22/2005 5:58:39 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: goldstategop

Alberta is the only province in Canada with a birthrate above 2.1 per couple. Highest birthrate, lowest taxes, highest marriage rate, lowest abortion rate, lowest government involvement in life. Coincidence? I think not.


20 posted on 10/23/2005 8:25:56 PM PDT by rasblue
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