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Was the Joe Wilson Valerie Plame Affair a CIA Plot?
The National Ledger ^ | oct. 21, 2005 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 10/21/2005 9:44:44 AM PDT by blogblogginaway

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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the kind words. I will ping you to the updated version when it posts, hopefully next week.


121 posted on 10/21/2005 12:50:50 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Sacajaweau
Okay, these documents were forgeries. But they had to be based on "something" real or they wouldn't be useful. So were they MADE INTO forgeries????...just like Rathergate??

Actually, they were "holographs" -- hand-drawn copies of purported originals. Not technically "forgeries", as there was no intent to represent them as originals (or xerographic copies of originals).

122 posted on 10/21/2005 12:56:41 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Gee, the Rathergate forgeries weren't originals either. Imagine that. Look how far that got until a FREEPERlooked at the paperwork.

Guess that's why we didn't get to see these forgeries!!

123 posted on 10/21/2005 1:03:36 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ravingnutter; kcvl; Howlin; Mo1; Peach; Lancey Howard; Enchante
Uh-oh!

"Safavian also told the committee that he had "overlooked" two other clients while preparing his initial submissions for the OMB position. He did not initially mention work as a registered foreign agent for Gabon, a country persistently rated by the United States as having a "poor" human rights record, or his work as a registered foreign agent for Pascal Lissouba, the former president of the Republic of Congo who has been tried in absentia for treason and embezzlement..."

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Is this too implausible?

Who was formerly Ambassador to Gabon?? Who's former wife has been a trade rep for the government of Gabon and also a consular officer at the French Embassy???

Do I need to start buying stock in Reynolds Aluminum?

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And then ... there's THIS

"It wasn't just Wilson who lied-- it was the CIA. Again, from Vanity Fair: Phelps and Royce [of the July 22,2003 Newsday story] also cited a "senior intelligence official" who said that Plame did not recommend her husband for the Niger job, adding, "There are people elsewhere in the government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason. I can't figure out what it could be. We paid his (Wilson's) airfare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there.

Here is what this looks like to me. There are widespread indications that the CIA is incompetent. Vice President Cheney was pressuring the CIA to do a better job. The CIA decided to fight back. They are, after all, experts in information and disinformation. So they gave Wilson the Niger mission to simultaneously pretend they were making efforts to investigate and to create a news story to embarass Cheney."

124 posted on 10/21/2005 1:21:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (Able Danger: DISABLED??)
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To: Fedora

Thanks ... Ping to my previous post .. in case it's not in your list.


125 posted on 10/21/2005 1:23:06 PM PDT by STARWISE (Able Danger: DISABLED??)
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To: STARWISE
I find it reassuring that Porter Goss studied classics and Greek as an undergraduate at Yale. Someone who knows how to conjugate a second aorist "mi"-verb in the middle voice or knows the difference between an optative with "an" and an optative without "an" may be able to cope with the CIA. And his knowledge of Latin must have served him well in Latin America.
126 posted on 10/21/2005 1:23:51 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: massgopguy
"So she blows her cover to Wilson on their third date during a make-out session. What if he was, say, A RUSSIAN? Didn't she violate the law?"

In fact, her ID had already been compromised--the Russians and the Cubans knew what she was. That's why she was riding a desk.

From the July 22, 2004 Washington Times

CIA officer named prior to column

The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a news column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation, U.S. officials say.

Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana.

The documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said.

127 posted on 10/21/2005 1:26:58 PM PDT by mondonico
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To: Enchante
Insightful:

Also, it's rarely pointed out that the CIA, including Valerie Plame's vaunted WMD unit, has totally botched virtually every significant development in WMD proliferation for decades. India and Pakistan going nuke, the whole Khan network including Libya and Iran and North Korea, everything about North Korea's nuke progress in the '90s, Iraq being within a year or less of having nukes at the time of the 1991 Gulf War, etc. etc. etc.

The CIA has been a total botch on WMD issues, so there was a lot more reason to be suspicious of than complacent about their pre-2003 assessments of Iraq.

128 posted on 10/21/2005 1:28:47 PM PDT by GOPJ (The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday's brutality. -- President Bush)
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To: blogblogginaway

bttt


129 posted on 10/21/2005 1:37:22 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: GOPJ

bttt


130 posted on 10/21/2005 1:37:28 PM PDT by rirepublican
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To: STARWISE
"So they gave Wilson the Niger mission to simultaneously pretend they were making efforts to investigate and to create a news story to embarass Cheney."

That's one possibility. A less dramatic one is that they sent Wilson to Niger out of sheer incompetence or laziness, and later on - either just before or just after Plame's name got out - they realized they could work with Wilson, the media, and the Kerry campaign to whip it up into a scandal to embarrass or even destroy Cheney or Bush.
131 posted on 10/21/2005 1:52:25 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: STARWISE

BUMP for excellence in posting.


132 posted on 10/21/2005 2:06:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: STARWISE

Thanks :-) My update will mention a bit on Lissouba's ties to Gabonese President Omar Bongo and the French oil company Elf Aquitaine.


133 posted on 10/21/2005 2:09:03 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: STARWISE; backhoe
Hmmm...from a post by backhoe (#48)

Wilson works for a company named Rock Creek enterprises, or at least he used to. Now he claims that he works for himself, but his office is still in their office and his email address is still on their server, or at least it was when all this was researched. Rock Creek was owned by Abduran Alamoudi or Al Amoudi (I've seen it spelled both ways) Al Amoudi is tied to BCCI and various Muslim support organizations and was an adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton -- Hagel is extremely dangerous. I confirmed a lot of the information that I was collecting through a blog, called Just One Minute. I don't know who these guys are, but they seemed to have a lot of the inside information, a year ago. Follow all their links. Just One Minute

Same Alamoudi guy mentioned at your link?

134 posted on 10/21/2005 2:13:39 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Fedora

Yes, it's been highly revealing that despite many facts and reasons which suggest the role of various current and former CIA people should be aggressively investigated, the MSM (and most of all NY TImes and WaPo) has been totally AWOL..... they only like CIA scandals that help the hate-America left and that's a FACT.


135 posted on 10/21/2005 2:14:51 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: blogblogginaway

It's evident that some people at the CIA did not take this Niger story seriously. There's no other explanation for such an ludicrous effort as sending Wilson to a hotel to talk to various Niger officials. Even the tone of Wilson's Times article suggests the whole thing wasn't serious. Now, as between this goofy effort and other intelligence agencies, I wouldn't put my money on Wilson being correct.


136 posted on 10/21/2005 2:16:24 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: ravingnutter

It was always extremely implausible that anyone would use an email address based in a company from which they merely "rent office space" -- I've never heard of that in business, people want email addresses and URLs that reflect a connection with THEIR business, not with that of their LANDLORD, for Pete's sake.... that Rock Creek connection with Abduran Alamoudi or Al Amoudi and the Saudis, etc. is very suspicious.


137 posted on 10/21/2005 2:17:54 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: ravingnutter

btw, I would expect that the kind of consulting business Joe Wilson launched for himself in 1998 or so would have some (possibly) highly sensitive and confidential information about clients and potential clients -- if he used a Rock Creek email address then potentially THEY could read and monitor everything he did. Is it remotely plausible that someone would conduct a consulting business based on Rock Creek's email server if he had no business connection with them?? That has always struck me as bizarre and implausible.

Perhaps freepers with other experience in business and with different email servers can comment, but I cannot imagine basing my business on my landlord's server. Yes, I know people contract with outside computer companies to host email and websites if they don't have their own server(s), of course, but I think that's rather different from having your landlord with whom you have no other business connection do it, and do it in THEIR name rather than yours.


138 posted on 10/21/2005 2:29:18 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: blogblogginaway
CIA was deliberately trying to undermine the Bush Administration’s Iraq War policy.
139 posted on 10/21/2005 2:31:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: ravingnutter
I HOPE FITZGERALD HAS CHECKED OUT DISGRUNTLED FORMER CIA OPERATIVE, LARRY JOHNSON!!!

This has his fingerprints all over it!

140 posted on 10/21/2005 2:40:32 PM PDT by kcvl
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