Posted on 10/21/2005 9:44:44 AM PDT by blogblogginaway
On the one hand they have no problem believing that elements of the CIA took part in the Kennedy hit and excoriating and tying down the agency by law.
On the other hand, they applaud the slow-mo CIA hit on a truly courageous president and are giggling uncontrollably while Tom Delay endures one of the most vile political ploys of my lifetime.
I hate them. Can anyone say tipping point?
Thanks again, Wolfie.. for all that work hunting down the gems.
No, it wasn't a plot.
It was a boondoggle for Mr. Wilson who got a free trip to do other business he had in Niger.
When he came back intel thought his info furthered the Niger link, or was worthless.
His campaign of disinformation was his own, with the agenda to get Kerry in office, or appease his French handlers.
I hear Sandy Burglar has become adept in archive duties ;).
Bush's SOTU speech was crystal clear: "reports that Iraq HAD SOUGHT yellow cake uraniium" .. he never said the deal was done.
It was called "Watergate" and was run by the agency a generation ago. And it worked.
Bush could probably get what the CIA is providing from other Departments and Agencies (with few exceptions). The CIA was originally created so the DoD wasn't running NATIONAL Intelligence. Way past time to make a change and clean out for sure.
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Why would the CIA want to more or less dis-prove the purchase of Yellow cake from Niger??? that's what I want to know.
now that is a angle i never thought of. hmmmmmm!
"Of course she was undercover, her cover was that she wasn't under cover, but she really was, see? Get it?" This gets tiring very quickly. I wonder if Mathews realizes how he is being used and how foolish he will look? Probably not more foolish than he already does look.
I thought the only forged documents were the ones from Italy,,, that the other proofs of wmd were legitimate.
One thing that I find striking is that in Wilson's NY Times article he explicity states that his mission was not covert. However, it seems to me that if he had indeed found that Nigeria sold yellowcake to Iraq and received information on the Iraqi and Nigerian officials involved that that information would be quite sensitive. The fact that the CIA sent him over there without requiring him to sign any sort of confidentiality agreements strongly indicates that he was sent over there with very strong expectations of what the ultimate outcome of his trip should be.
Two years Plame fiasco has been marathoning. . .Where IS the truth and why don't the Repubs tell it?
And then there is the 'Able Danger' fiasco that Repubs cannot seem to get a grip on as well.
It is all too depressing. . .
My opinion is that the French have an obvious interest in discrediting any stories about Niger uranium smuggling. Beyond that, France was directly in bed with Saddam, supplying him with weapons right up to the beginning of the war. They had oil contracts with Iraq worth maybe $100 billion, that would be worthless if Saddam left power, and they were large recipients of Oil For Food bribe money.
They had every interest in avoiding this war.
CIA's interest was in de-fanging this president. Why, is less obvious. It could be strictly partisan, or it could be something more.
Ex-CIA Baer, in his book, mentions that former CIA quite regularly are hired by the Saudis as "security consultants". I believe that the Saudis have considerable influence at CIA. Wilson was in bed with a Saudi investor, and a Saudi-funded think-tank.
There is a long list of State Department people who, after serving in Saudi Arabia, retire to establish their own "institute".
So through their friends at both CIA and State, if the Saudis oppose some element of American policy, they have tools to modify and influence it. Bush Senior has business connections with the Saudis, as we know, and he seems to have opposed the war in Iraq along with other members of his investment firm. W Bush, on the other hand, went ahead with his plans and has had no end of games run against him from both State and CIA.
Wilson was apparently neutral or even pro-Bush in his public statements until he joined the Kerry Campaign, which corresponds to when he wrote his op-ed piece. So this is to me an important detail. It could be strictly partisan, Saudi influenced, French/Iraq influenced, or all of the above. Take your pick.
"She was able to reveal her CIA role to him while they were dating because he held a high-level security clearance."
No. This sort of stuff is on a need to know basis. You can go blathering about your work just because someone else has some form of clearance from another government agency. Clearance at the CIA and at the State department are entirely separate matters, i.e. someone who worked at the State department but later decided to shift careers and become a CIA agent would have to go through a much more thorough and invasive clearance process with the CIA before being hired.
Regarding the reference at your #41, it's interesting that Wilson's second wife (Jacueline) is not listed.
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