Was the Joe Wilson Valerie Plame Affair a CIA Plot?

The National Ledger ^ | oct. 21, 2005 | Cliff Kincaid

[demkicker]

Its rather odd that Cannistraro, who in public conferences tried to convince the Americans of the dangers of the Iraqi nuclear threat, is now placing the blame for the false documents on the Italians.

As sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, Cannistraro has a big fat off shore account as payoff for his lies. If only it could be located....

[ravingnutter]

Sorry about that...I must have picked that up from the snippet of Fedora's thread that I linked. I've got so much info running through my head right now that I can't even think straight, LOL! It was the Niger Embassy in Rome.

[MizSterious]

They haven't "refused" to look at it from this angle. They're working with these people and are doing their best to cover up this angle.

[advance_copy]

It is kind of odd that (if you remember) the first strike against Iraq was a missile strike based on covert information where Saddam and his henchmen were. It came out that the missile strike "just missed him" and he escaped without harm.

I also remember how that miscalculated strike, recommended to the President by George Tenet, let the air out of "shock and awe". It also gave Hussein an opportunity to demand global attention in a taped address where he denounced the U.S.



Tenet addressing Cheney in the Oval Office just prior to the strike

Note how Tenet is the only one in the Oval Office not wearing his coat. Like Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Vice President Cheney honor the Oval Office and do not remove their coat while working there. Tenet's posture toward the Vice President does not look very respectful to me.

[Sacajaweau]

Time to look into nice Mr. Wilson's private business in Africa AND Swiss bank accounts.

I can't understand for the life of me why Wilson would say "the dates are wrong" on the forgeries. So, he must know the right dates on the real documents.

[demkicker]

Thanks for your interesting post. Do we dare hope that Fitzgerald unravels this conspiracy and blatant attempt to falsley blame the Bush administration? I'm praying he will exonerate those being framed by traitors in the CIA and that their identies will be disclosed.

I know its unlikely, but I can hope can't I?

[Sacajaweau]

Many Thanks!!

[ravingnutter]

There were three wives, his college
sweetheart, Susan Otchis, then Jacqueline (no one knows her last name) and then Valerie.

[blogblogginaway]

It should also be noted that when Valerie Plame offered up her husband to make the trip she said "THERE'S THIS CRAZY REPORT" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. It should also be noted the Senate Intelligence Committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

[marron]

Okay, these documents were forgeries. But they had to be based on "something" real or they wouldn't be useful. So were they MADE INTO forgeries????...just like Rathergate??

See post #63.

French Intel was investigating reports of uranium smuggling in Niger, and obtained documents that indicated it was happening. They asked their agent to obtain more documents, which he did with the aid of the Niger embassy. The new documents, though, were obvious forgeries, using signatures of people no longer in office. Obviously, the embassy officials would know who was and wasn't in office in Niger, as would French Intel for that matter.

The fake documents were passed to CIA. When, later, Bush mentioned uranium smuggling, the French and Wilson both announced that his comment was based on forged documents, forged documents that we know were commissioned and passed to us by the French and by Niger embassy people.

How would Wilson know about the fake documents, which were in CIA control?

This should smell to anyone like a setup.

Of course, there is more, in the fact that Iraq really had made overtures to the Niger government concerning uranium, and furthermore, this was no secret at all. Wilson knew it, but left it out of his public statements.

So the French (and perhaps CIA itself) used fake documents to discredit a story that was, after all, true. Iraq really had tried to obtain uranium from Niger. And, furthermore, when Libya "surrendered" after the Iraq war, and gave up its nuclear program, we found that its uranium had come, under the table, from Niger. Meaning that Niger and France were indeed involved in illicit uranium smuggling.

Which means the original French investigation of the affair was not for the purpose of uncovering it, but for the purpose of uncovering leaks and stopping them. Wilson's trip to Niger was part of this operation.

[syriacus]

A CIA Plot -- along with....

Only this time the CIA is on the record as getting this scandal rolling, by sending Wilson to Africa.

[STARWISE]

What is THAT supposed to mean? Goss is an experienced and credible official, with an impeccable reputation. There's never been a hint of impropriety connected to him, of which I'm aware.

He is a fine American patriot, and we're lucky that he's over at the CIA .. I just hope he's got a mega rotor rooter to flush out all the self-serving, unpatriotic dirty bureaucrats who've become ensconced in some of the sewers there over the decades. God bless him!

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Porter J. Goss became Director of the Central Intelligence Agency on 21 April 2005. He served as the 19th Director of Central Intelligence from 24 September 2004 until 21 April 2005. Previously, Mr. Goss represented the 14th Congressional District of Florida for almost 16 years. He was chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence from 1997 until his nomination as DCI in August 2004. He served for almost a decade as a member of the committee, which oversees the intelligence community and authorizes its annual budget.

During the 107th Congress, Mr. Goss co-chaired the joint congressional inquiry into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. He was the second Director of Central Intelligence to have served in Congress.

Mr. Goss was a U.S. Army Intelligence officer from 1960 to 1962. He served as a clandestine service officer with the Central Intelligence Agency from 1962 until 1972, when an illness contracted on duty forced him to retire. While in the CIA's Directorate of Operations, he completed assignments in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Europe.

After leaving the CIA, Mr. Goss and his family settled in Sanibel, Florida, where he was a small business owner and founded a newspaper. He was elected to the Sanibel City Council in 1974 and served there until 1983, including three years as mayor. From 1983 until 1988, Mr. Goss was a member of the Lee County (Florida) Commission, where he served as its chairman from 1985 to 1986.

Mr. Goss holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in classics and Greek from Yale University. He was born in Waterbury, Connecticut, on 26 November 1938. He and his wife, Mariel, have four children and 11 grandchildren.

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Want a job??

[syriacus]

How did Miller even know enough to inquire about Joe? He hadn't dropped his column yet?

Very good question.

[Enchante]

"then Jacqueline (no one knows her last name)"

Yes, I find it VERY suggestive that not a hint seems to have emerged of the full name of Jacqueline XXXXX, Joe Wilson's 2nd wife. I tried all kinds of web searches awhile back trying to find anything on her and couldn't. It may well be that she is a TRUE undercover agent (for French intel), unlike the faux agent named Valerie Plame. I still think there is the strongest prospect that if all were known to us it would turn out that this whole affair was a disinformation campaign of French intel to smear the Bush administration and discredit our Iraq policy. Everyone should remember that if the 'RAts here and abroad win this struggle the policies that are left vindicated (according to the MSM) are precisely the policies of EU socialist weenies like Chirac and Schroeder (yes, I know that Chirac is not an official socialist in EU terms, but in AMERICAN terms he is a socialist weenie). Joe Wilson is serving their interests, whether or not he is consciously working on behalf of French intel. The only question is whether he is a traitor or a dupe (of course, dupes can be traitors, too, but I mean that he may or may not have known that people feeding him certain info such as about the forged "Niger uranium" documents were working for French intel).......

[Marine_Uncle]

"I know that's not surprising given their biases, but it's still worrying that Goss and the WH so far have been totally unable to educate the media and the public about the real problems"

Problem is as you well understand Goss and the WH cannot make statements to the detriment of the CIA.
What we can hope for is Goss will continue to clean shop. We cannot expect the L/MSM to provide balance reporting. They are not in business to provide such a service. It's one thing to cover a story about catching a CIA double agent mole for instance and another to cover a corrupt CIA.

So I for one do not expect much truth to surface via. the L/MSM.

[maryz]

It would be very interesting to know just who in the CIA contacted the Justice Department with this!

[syriacus]

Joe Wilson's Perfidy


Joe wrote an op-ed and lied
Didn't care if Americans died
He sat on his tush
As he undermined Bush
And pretended wife Val was "inside."

Joe took the Islamicists' side,
When he said that the President lied.
Since the Times spread Joe's tale,
Please put them in jail
And, certainly, Joe should be **fried**.

[Ben Hecks]

The quote you use at #10 gets to the heart of the matter. This is the first time I have seen anyone confirm that Wison was not required to sign a confidentiality agreement prior to his trip to Niger (I would guess that this formality would include a security briefing before the mission and a debriefing after). This is, at best, sloppy administrative procedure and probably represents a violation of regulations.

[blogblogginaway]

Wilson has an apparent interest in gold mines. BTW - did you know uranium can be extracted from gold mines?

After only one year on the job Wilson decided to retire and go into the private sector because "we wanted to have kids, and felt that it had become very difficult ot live off two government salaries." He set up a consultancy, J. C. Wilson headquarters of the Rock Creek Corporation AN INVESTMENT FIRM OF WHICH LITTLE IS KNOWN. Wilson'g right-wing critics have been quick to dondemn the affiliation as "musk," though Wilson does not work for Rock Creek and merely rents space and facilities there. 'I HAVE A NUMBER OF CLIENTS, AND BASICALLY WE HELP THEM WITH THEIR SORT OF INVESTMENTS IN COUNTRIES LIKE NIGER," explains Wilson. "Niger was of some interest because it has some gold deposits coming onstream. WE HAD SOME CLIENTS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN GOLD.... We were looking to set up a gold-mine company out of London."

http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/01/vanity_fairs_profile_on_joseph_wilson_and_vale rie_plame.php

[STARWISE]

WOW! What an extensive resource .. and what a lot of work. thank you, Fedora.