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Vitale Suspect Described as 'Goth' Loner
CNN ^ | October 21, 2005

Posted on 10/21/2005 7:34:48 AM PDT by smartin

MARTINEZ, California (CNN) -- The teenage suspect in the beating death of a prominent lawyer's wife was described by classmates as a "gothic" loner who followed the occult and dressed in black from the polish on his fingernails to his trench coat.

The young man is being held as a juvenile in the slaying of Pamela Vitale, wife of lawyer and television pundit Daniel Horowitz. Police say he apparently acted alone.

Horowitz found Vitale's body when he returned to a trailer the couple shared while they built a dream estate on a hilltop in affluent Lafayette, east of Oakland.

Authorities said Vitale, 52, was bludgeoned by a strip of crown molding and fought with her killer. (See video about the arrest -- 4:35)

A gothic cross was carved into her back. That symbol may be a key link to the suspect.

"He was just really a gothic kid, and everyone knew who he was just because of his apparel. When you heard the name, you were just like, 'Oh, that kid,' " a classmate told CNN.

"He just definitely stood out in front of anybody in the school," the classmate added. "When he walked by, everybody talked about him -- like, he definitely didn't blend in."

Authorities would not identify the 16-year-old, and CNN is not naming him because of his age. But news outlets in the San Francisco Bay area widely publicized his name after his arrest late Wednesday.

Former classmates told The Associated Press that the teenager drew a pentagram on the ground at school, telling other students he was reading from the book of Satan.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: danielhorowitz; dyleski; goth; horowitz; pamelavitale; susanpolk; vitale
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To: smartin

they pose a threat to society...poisoning our minds and subverting our way of life


81 posted on 10/21/2005 9:01:45 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: bonfire

feminists...don't you recognize the threat they pose?


82 posted on 10/21/2005 9:02:31 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: Moderate right-winger

The only threat I see here is you!


83 posted on 10/21/2005 9:03:17 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: Moderate right-winger

I am more aware of the threat male-chauvanist's pose at this moment.


84 posted on 10/21/2005 9:04:24 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Junior_G
Goth is one of the dumbest subcultures around. That said, I doubt being goth had anything to do with this guy killing a woman.

I'd say that the fact that this kid is a goth, and the fact that this kid killed the lady, are all part of the same package. The goth subculture did nothing to dissuade, and probably a lot to encourage, him to act out on his urges.

85 posted on 10/21/2005 9:04:44 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: bonfire

Good one!


86 posted on 10/21/2005 9:05:04 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: bonfire

when we ignore our history, our traditions, our way of life, then we abandon the the spirit which brought this society together. For instance, women who call themselves "modern" and/or abort children are no better than criminals who deserve the ultimate penalty


87 posted on 10/21/2005 9:07:01 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: brytlea

"The boy is best friends with his mother"

Didn't Norman Bates say this exact thing in "Psycho"??
Look how he turned out!!


88 posted on 10/21/2005 9:07:10 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: smartin

you have mail


89 posted on 10/21/2005 9:07:36 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: shhrubbery!; add925
My impressions of the Bay Area suburbs, and the people who live there, were forever shaped by this Cult Classic:


90 posted on 10/21/2005 9:07:44 AM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: Moderate right-winger

Nice. I knew you were going to show your true colors eventually.


91 posted on 10/21/2005 9:11:26 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart

"true colors"? I have always been transparent


92 posted on 10/21/2005 9:12:21 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: hellinahandcart

"true colors"? I have always been transparent


93 posted on 10/21/2005 9:13:35 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: Moderate right-winger
I have always been transparent

Yeah, we can see right through you.

94 posted on 10/21/2005 9:17:15 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Moderate right-winger

Too bad you're not transparent on this thread.


95 posted on 10/21/2005 9:17:51 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: Moderate right-winger

Your tagline is a little joke, huh?


96 posted on 10/21/2005 9:19:08 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: smartin

I never advocated this woman's murder...I was only speculating....the boy deserves to be jailed for life for what he did....but if the woman was not a proven feminist, then she deserves justice


97 posted on 10/21/2005 9:21:36 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (prevent extremism from all sides)
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To: Moderate right-winger
"For instance, women who call themselves "modern" and/or abort children are no better than criminals who deserve the ultimate penalty"

Ouch. You can't possibly be serious? Say it isn't so...please.

sw

98 posted on 10/21/2005 9:22:30 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: bonfire

Changed it...I used to be a bit moderate...Then I saw the truth


99 posted on 10/21/2005 9:23:06 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (Complacency inevitably leads to disasters)
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To: spectre

I won't call single motherhood immoral since it requires dedication to children


100 posted on 10/21/2005 9:24:59 AM PDT by Moderate right-winger (Complacency inevitably leads to disasters)
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