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Vitale Suspect Described as 'Goth' Loner
CNN ^ | October 21, 2005

Posted on 10/21/2005 7:34:48 AM PDT by smartin

MARTINEZ, California (CNN) -- The teenage suspect in the beating death of a prominent lawyer's wife was described by classmates as a "gothic" loner who followed the occult and dressed in black from the polish on his fingernails to his trench coat.

The young man is being held as a juvenile in the slaying of Pamela Vitale, wife of lawyer and television pundit Daniel Horowitz. Police say he apparently acted alone.

Horowitz found Vitale's body when he returned to a trailer the couple shared while they built a dream estate on a hilltop in affluent Lafayette, east of Oakland.

Authorities said Vitale, 52, was bludgeoned by a strip of crown molding and fought with her killer. (See video about the arrest -- 4:35)

A gothic cross was carved into her back. That symbol may be a key link to the suspect.

"He was just really a gothic kid, and everyone knew who he was just because of his apparel. When you heard the name, you were just like, 'Oh, that kid,' " a classmate told CNN.

"He just definitely stood out in front of anybody in the school," the classmate added. "When he walked by, everybody talked about him -- like, he definitely didn't blend in."

Authorities would not identify the 16-year-old, and CNN is not naming him because of his age. But news outlets in the San Francisco Bay area widely publicized his name after his arrest late Wednesday.

Former classmates told The Associated Press that the teenager drew a pentagram on the ground at school, telling other students he was reading from the book of Satan.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: danielhorowitz; dyleski; goth; horowitz; pamelavitale; susanpolk; vitale
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To: najida

Attraction of "extremely opposites"?


221 posted on 10/21/2005 2:09:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: Tax-chick

Okay, somebody needs "What not to Wear".


222 posted on 10/21/2005 2:14:05 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

Goth fashion (dark clothes, mostly, not piercings or weird makeup) doesn't attract much attention in major urban communities.


223 posted on 10/21/2005 2:16:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: Tax-chick

Ahhh,
the Goths around here are major piercing/tattoo buffs. With those ultra-big holed earrings in their ears....but I think all the military bases mean more tattoo parlors and more access :)


224 posted on 10/21/2005 2:18:36 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: najida

Ick! I think she may have two piercings in her ears ... but so does my mom's best friend, wife of a retired admiral :-). Everyone's not a frump like me!


225 posted on 10/21/2005 2:21:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: add925
By reading that word, I have activated your DNA. You will now send me $100 of your hard-earned cash to help me establish a new foundation in California for remote DNA activation.

It has been dark and rainy here all day and my DNA could certainly have used some activation. You are using your powers in a selective way instead of distributing them to everyone for free. I'm gonna sue!

226 posted on 10/21/2005 2:22:53 PM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: Tax-chick

Well, on average, everyone 'Goth' round here has at LEAST--
2 ear piercings per ear, (mostly the big hole knobs these days)
2 facial piercings (nose is a required...the rest can be eyebrow, lip etc) and
erm,
nevermind.

It's ink and metal city here.


227 posted on 10/21/2005 2:26:28 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: RWCon

The boy that supposedly murdered her wore black and read satanic books.


228 posted on 10/21/2005 2:41:33 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: demkicker

I don't know that.

See post @174


229 posted on 10/21/2005 2:43:21 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: republicofdavis

I understand what you mean. It's hard to separate what a poster thinks from what the poster is reporting. I was reporting what I had read about her. Since I don't know her personally.


230 posted on 10/21/2005 2:45:33 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: BunnySlippers

See post #174 where I cite my source and post #175 where you can read the full article.

Maybe this mom is doing the best she can. I don't know her circumstances.


231 posted on 10/21/2005 2:48:04 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: najida

Ugh.


232 posted on 10/21/2005 3:13:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: smartin
See post #201 wherein I say what I think of the quote:

Yes, so sayeth the town hippie.

233 posted on 10/21/2005 3:38:42 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Tax-chick
I am surprised that no one has mentioned "as goats and chickens wandered around the property." He was described elsewhere as a vegan. Most Americans do not eat goats, chickens and goats are used in Satanic rituals. Strange coincidence?
234 posted on 10/21/2005 3:44:58 PM PDT by Razorism (Strange coincidence?)
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To: BunnySlippers

You think that Wilma Holgerson is the name of the town hippie?


235 posted on 10/21/2005 4:04:04 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: Razorism

No telling. Just because this boy was a vegan doesn't mean everybody in the mob living there was. Or maybe they just had pets :-).


236 posted on 10/21/2005 4:04:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: brytlea
That sounds similar to (only worse than) my own father's story, and yet he managed to stay marrried to the same woman for 50 years

Funny you should mention this - his 'marriage' is another testament to his character. They've been married approximately 46 years and it's no marriage. Separate bedrooms for at least a decade, she's hostile, overweight and has some mental problems - not sure what but she doesn't act like she even likes him.

And he will never divorce this non-wife - he gave his word 46 years ago and he will not break it.

237 posted on 10/21/2005 4:23:00 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: BunnySlippers

Wilma Holgerson is an Adult Advisor for the Youth Services Commission for the City of Lafayette, California.

http://ci.lafayette.ca.us/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BA4116EE9-C11A-4236-8099-8F3CDBDC1E1A%7D


238 posted on 10/21/2005 4:26:18 PM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: smartin
You are certainly welcome to think that Wilma is an upstanding citizen. I'd prefer a little more information. Many people think that say ... a tenured professor at a university is a wonderful thing ... sometimes it is.

But not always.

239 posted on 10/21/2005 5:16:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: smartin

A shame the young man had no parents, or anybody else who gave a crap about him. But oh well - - hope he dies in prison after a few years of being a boy-toy for the sodomites.


240 posted on 10/21/2005 5:20:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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