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Vitale Suspect Described as 'Goth' Loner
CNN ^ | October 21, 2005

Posted on 10/21/2005 7:34:48 AM PDT by smartin

MARTINEZ, California (CNN) -- The teenage suspect in the beating death of a prominent lawyer's wife was described by classmates as a "gothic" loner who followed the occult and dressed in black from the polish on his fingernails to his trench coat.

The young man is being held as a juvenile in the slaying of Pamela Vitale, wife of lawyer and television pundit Daniel Horowitz. Police say he apparently acted alone.

Horowitz found Vitale's body when he returned to a trailer the couple shared while they built a dream estate on a hilltop in affluent Lafayette, east of Oakland.

Authorities said Vitale, 52, was bludgeoned by a strip of crown molding and fought with her killer. (See video about the arrest -- 4:35)

A gothic cross was carved into her back. That symbol may be a key link to the suspect.

"He was just really a gothic kid, and everyone knew who he was just because of his apparel. When you heard the name, you were just like, 'Oh, that kid,' " a classmate told CNN.

"He just definitely stood out in front of anybody in the school," the classmate added. "When he walked by, everybody talked about him -- like, he definitely didn't blend in."

Authorities would not identify the 16-year-old, and CNN is not naming him because of his age. But news outlets in the San Francisco Bay area widely publicized his name after his arrest late Wednesday.

Former classmates told The Associated Press that the teenager drew a pentagram on the ground at school, telling other students he was reading from the book of Satan.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: danielhorowitz; dyleski; goth; horowitz; pamelavitale; susanpolk; vitale
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To: Pyro7480

separated at birth?
101 posted on 10/21/2005 9:26:10 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: najida
Kids like this don't just happen, they're created.

Very true. Of course, he is personally responsible for having beating Ms. Vitale to death, but he didn't suddenly emerge from a normal home environment to do it. I assume he was on drugs, since he went to her house in pursuit of a missing delivery of drug supplies.

102 posted on 10/21/2005 9:28:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: spectre
You can't possibly be serious?

I don't think this one ever was. It's here posing as a right-winger.

Check out this little tidbit from his profile:

About me: I'm an international relations major and a history buff as well The greatest Western countries in the World are America, Germany and the United States

103 posted on 10/21/2005 9:32:44 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: LYSandra

Add to that the trauma of his sister's . And probably no therapy, so this is how his anger and pain comes out.


104 posted on 10/21/2005 9:33:59 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Moderate right-winger; smartin; bonfire

I think I'm modern. I mean, I use electricity when I clean the floors and cook the meals and iron my husband's shirts.


105 posted on 10/21/2005 9:41:18 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Moderate right-winger
if the woman was not a proven feminist, then she deserves justice

You don't think ing a feminist requires punishment?

106 posted on 10/21/2005 9:42:31 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: smartin

From what I have read the suspect when through a major personality change following his sister died. Any caring parent would have been looking for such warning signs. Especially ones that showed a fascination with the darkside of life. So where was mom? Did she ignore or even encourage these changes as evidence that D. was finding himself? Did she reject the idea of therapy or psychiatric care for him? Seems possible with her newage healing scam.
Mom's like this need to remember. Our children need parents if we do not parent them they will find someone else who will. That someone else often does not have the child's best interest at heart. I do not deny D's responsibilty if he is guilty but I am convinced there is an adult influence behind this crime as well.


107 posted on 10/21/2005 9:42:49 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Moderate right-winger

That was % ing". My netnanny doesn't agree with .


108 posted on 10/21/2005 9:43:59 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Pyro7480
I was standing next to one of these Gothic kids yesterday while I was at the motor vehicle department.He looked like a queer who was into gay bondage.The black vinyl pants with big silver rings around the waist and the black shoes made him look like a fan of the Village People.I can't keep from laughing when I see some of the more outrageous outfits they wear.
109 posted on 10/21/2005 9:44:50 AM PDT by rdcorso (There Is No Such Thing As A Neutral Person During A War With Radical Islam.)
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To: pa mom

But are you barefoot and pregnant???


110 posted on 10/21/2005 9:45:32 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire
But are you barefoot and pregnant???

I am!

111 posted on 10/21/2005 9:46:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: smartin; bearsgirl90; agrace
Former classmates told The Associated Press that the teenager drew a pentagram on the ground at school, telling other students he was reading from the book of Satan.

Homeschool ping.

112 posted on 10/21/2005 9:46:28 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Tax-chick

You get to go straight to heaven AND collect $200!


113 posted on 10/21/2005 9:47:56 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: smartin

Sounds like he lived with his hippie mother, a "long-distance healer", in a commune situation out in LaLa Land. Then they wonder why the teens go weird.


114 posted on 10/21/2005 9:48:20 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: bonfire

LOL! I could use the $200 for new shoes :-). Just kidding. I'm not always barefoot, but it's hot today.


115 posted on 10/21/2005 9:49:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: Moderate right-winger

What?


116 posted on 10/21/2005 9:54:10 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: Tax-chick; bonfire

But are you modern?


117 posted on 10/21/2005 9:55:11 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: republicofdavis
As an alum of that fine institution, as well as Mt. Diablo High School, I resent the inference that there was some sort of satanic influence present.

Don't make me turn you into a toad.

LOL. I am an alum of only Mt. Diablo elementary in my K years. I missed the "toad-turning" classes, darn it.

118 posted on 10/21/2005 9:56:05 AM PDT by cgk (Delay/Weldon '08: That's the ticket! // QUAGMIERS: Punidtry's present, predictable predicament.)
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To: pa mom

My Frumpy Fundamentalist Frock is from Wal-mart!


119 posted on 10/21/2005 9:56:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: Tax-chick

Hmm, balance frumpy frock with internet access. I have to say, you might be a wee bit modern. You do have indoor plumbing, right?


120 posted on 10/21/2005 9:57:17 AM PDT by pa mom
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