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The tax-withholding scam
WorldNetDaily ^ | 21 OCT 05 | Devvy Kidd

Posted on 10/21/2005 2:44:50 AM PDT by fifthvirginia

Has your "representative" in Congress ever told you that no law compels a work-eligible man or woman to submit a form W-4 or W-9 (or their equivalent) nor disclose a Social Security number as a condition of being hired or keeping one's job?

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cnim; scam
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1 posted on 10/21/2005 2:44:50 AM PDT by fifthvirginia
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To: fifthvirginia
Devvy Kidd is a Kook/Scam idiot. I wouldn't listen to anything she says about anything.
2 posted on 10/21/2005 2:52:24 AM PDT by TCats
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To: fifthvirginia

So, is she going to be the first to withhold paying her taxes?


3 posted on 10/21/2005 2:57:57 AM PDT by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Shery

Does it hurt to ask questions of the IRS?


4 posted on 10/21/2005 3:03:43 AM PDT by the tongue
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To: fifthvirginia
I believe if one does not withhold "enough" as defined by a certain percentage of the taxes one ends up owing, there is a penalty assessed immediately. This outraged me to no end when I first encountered it. If taxes are due on April 15th, that is when they are due. The cable company doesn't assess a fine for not paying early.
5 posted on 10/21/2005 3:18:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: fifthvirginia

1942, Congress passes the Victory Tax under Constitutional authority to support the WWII effort. President Roosevelt proposes a voluntary tax withholding program allowing workers across the nation to pay the tax in installments. The program is a success and the number of tax payers increases from 3 percent to 62 percent of the U.S. population.

1944: The Victory Tax and Voluntary Withholding laws are repealed as required by the U.S. Constitution, however, the federal government continues to collect the tax claiming it’s authority under the 1913 income tax and the 16th Amendment.


6 posted on 10/21/2005 3:49:43 AM PDT by crz
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To: fifthvirginia

1895: In Pollock vs Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co, the Supreme Court rules that general income taxes are unconstitutional because they are unapportioned direct taxes. To this day, the ruling has not been over-turned.

June 15, 1909: After the Supreme Court ruled general income taxes unconstitutional, President Taft proposes three new taxes to Congress. A graduated inheritance tax, another general income tax, and a new corporate tax. In the attempt to bypass the Supreme Court’s Pollack ruling, Taft also proposes the 16th Amendment with the intention of taxing profits made from commercial activity.

1913: With the ratification of the 16th Amendment, Congress creates the federal internal income tax and the Federal Reserve Bank to fight the inflation caused by paper currency. All income tax collections are forwarded to the Federal Reserve to pay the interest on it's publicly circulated money. The withdrawal of currency from public circulation through the new tax and the new Federal Reserve stabilizes inflation.

January 24, 1916: In Brushaber vs. Union Pacific Railroad, the Supreme Court ruled: that the 16th Amendment doesn’t over-rule the Court’s ruling in the Pollock case which declared general income taxes unconstitutional; The 16th Amendment applies only to gains and profits from commercial and investment activities: The 16th Amendment only applies to excises taxes; The 16th Amendment did not Amend the U.S. Constitution; The 16th Amendment only clarified the federal governments existing authority to create excise taxes without apportionment.

1939: Congress passes the Public Salary tax, taxing the wages of federal employees.

1940: Congress passes the Buck Act authorizing the federal government to tax federal workers living in the States


7 posted on 10/21/2005 3:53:24 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

http://www.civil-liberties.com/


8 posted on 10/21/2005 3:54:13 AM PDT by crz
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To: fifthvirginia
Not this crap again.

But the law requires the employer to withhold.

9 posted on 10/21/2005 3:57:22 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: rhombus

Taxes are not due April 15, only the return. Taxes are due quarterly.


10 posted on 10/21/2005 3:58:13 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: fifthvirginia

Welcome to FR and good luck in following their advice.

Orange jumpsuits are OK under the new NBA dress code (since so many players eventually have to wear them) so you will fit right in.


11 posted on 10/21/2005 4:02:01 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: fifthvirginia; ancient_geezer
The international banking cartel that has been hijacking the wealth of the American people since 1913 doesn't care if they steal the fruits of your labor via a direct federal income tax, flat tax or fair tax. Any of these schemes will only continue to enrich the international banking cartel, not fund the necessary functions of a limited form of republican government. Prior to 1913, we had no income tax because we had no central bank. Get rid of the unconstitutional "Federal" Reserve and there is no need for any of these traps called alternative taxing schemes.

She's right about this. The FairTax, which I support, would simply return a substantial portion of power back to the individual which currently is held by the state through the threat of audits and incarceration.

After that, the next steps are getting rid of the Federal Reserve and returning to a gold standard or something like it, where our money is a representation of tangible wealth that actually exists somewhere.

But screwing around with this withholding thing will just get you dragged into an unjust, unconstitutional tax court, where they will destroy your economic life.

12 posted on 10/21/2005 4:03:49 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: the tongue
Does it hurt to ask questions of the IRS?

No, but to act on this type of information is stupid. Action will result in hurt.

13 posted on 10/21/2005 4:06:06 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Raycpa
Taxes are not due April 15, only the return. Taxes are due quarterly.

Thanks. On the first day of the quarter or the last day?

14 posted on 10/21/2005 4:06:22 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: ancient_geezer

What's your take on this info in post 7? I've seen it before, but...


15 posted on 10/21/2005 4:08:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: Raycpa

IT WAS REPEALED! What part of this dont folks understand?

Because I pay my income taxes I break the law.


16 posted on 10/21/2005 4:11:10 AM PDT by crz
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To: rhombus
IIRC - 941's are due on the 15th of every month or a penalty is assessed.

Then every quarter a Quarterly earnings report is due by the end of the first month of the next quarter.

Both are a royal PITA and it was a mad scramble sometimes to make it to the bank to hand over the 941 and the check.

17 posted on 10/21/2005 4:15:08 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: rhombus

The late-paying fees and interest IRS collects when making payments is usury, adding insult to injury.


18 posted on 10/21/2005 4:17:41 AM PDT by stopem
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To: fifthvirginia
What happens when you generally agree with the author's positions, but it is obvious that she's a loony toon?

I mean, here's this gem: "Prior to 1913, we had no income tax because we had no central bank." Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Also,:"With the exception of an order from a court of competent jurisdiction issued by a duly qualified judge, no amounts can be lawfully taken from one's pay (for taxes, fees or other charges) without the worker's explicit, knowing, voluntary, written consent." Guess what you're giving when you sign the W2. I guess Livvy or whatever her name is, doesn't understand 'context'

That being said, I do think witholding is a montrous evil that keeps people in bondage to the government. I Joe or Jane American had to write a check for 10, 20, 30 grand every April, they'd find getting off the government teat much easier. Ending witholding would also reduce corruption because it would reduce the amount of $$$ taken in and force government to spend wiser.

Federal politicians will probably never kill witholding. If the GOP was even close to being 'conservative' they would have issued a bill to stop it.

19 posted on 10/21/2005 4:25:47 AM PDT by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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What she said about the "Fair Tax" etc, interesting:

http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

"Don't be fooled by this chant around the country for a flat tax, a consumption tax, sales tax or any other kind of personal income tax. There is absolutely no authority in the U.S. Constitution to implement any of these forms of taxation without apportionment. It is for this reason and this reason alone, that when it became apparent that the 16th Amendment was not going to be ratified by the states, fraud was committed and it was simply "proclaimed" ratified by then Secretary of State Philander Knox.

20 posted on 10/21/2005 4:28:43 AM PDT by stopem
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