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The Revetec Controlled Combustion Engine
Revetec Website ^ | 10/19/05

Posted on 10/19/2005 10:59:55 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades

The hear of the Revetec conceptThe REVETEC Engine design consists of two counter-rotating “trilobate” (three lobed) cams geared together, so both cams contribute to forward motion. Two bearings run along the profile of both cams (four bearings in all) and stay in contact with the cams at all times. The bearings are mounted on the underside of the two inter-connected pistons, which maintain the desired clearance throughout the stroke.

The two cams rotate and raise the piston with a scissor-like action to the bearings. Once at the top of the stroke the air/fuel mixture is fired. The expanded gas then forces the bearings down the ramps of the cams spreading them apart ending the stroke. The point of maximum mechanical advantage or transfer is around 10deg ATDC (the piston moving approximately 5% of its travel) making the most of the high cylinder pressure.

This compares to a conventional engine that reaches maximum mechanical advantage around 60deg ATDC. (after the piston has moved through 40% of its travel, losing valuable cylinder pressure). The effective cranking distance is determined by the length from the point of bearing contact to the centre of the output shaft (NOT the stroke). A conventional engine's turning distance is half of the piston stroke. The piston acceleration throughout the stroke is controlled by the cam “grind” which can be altered to give acceleration to suit a certain fuel and/or torque application. This also allows different port timing on opposite strokes, increasing efficiency on 2-Stroke engines.

The piston assembly slides rigidly through the block eliminating piston to cylinder-bore contact. This reduces wear and lubrication requirements. This also reduces piston shock to a negligible amount making ceramic technology suitable. One module which comprises of a minimum of five  moving components, produces six power strokes per revolution. Increasing the number of lobes on each cam to five produces ten power strokes without increasing the number of components. The CCE integrates well with existing power plants and can utilise almost all existing engine technology with increased efficiency.

Summaries of CCE advantages are as follows;



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To: Nathan Zachary

Good point. Each piston stroke only turns the crankshaft 1/3 of a revolution, so it'd take three times as many strokes to produce a given rpm. It's like it has a built in gear reduction. But couldn't you get around this by gearing it back up through the transmission?


41 posted on 10/19/2005 12:10:12 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: IronJack

maybe i'll put one in my X1/9


42 posted on 10/19/2005 12:11:05 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: Jack Black

NSU was the first company to use the Wankel. Subsequent to Mazda's implementation, General Motors bought - but never used - rights.

The original Wankel problem was seal wear. Later, problems centered on emissions - but, this was, again, seal-related. Looking at rated reliability and service costs, I suspect that seals are still a problem. It's a very pleasing engine to drive, but, so far, just not practical; a Mazda salesman recently cautioned me that the latest model should be allowed a few minutes to warm up - get real!


43 posted on 10/19/2005 12:11:16 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: eraser2005
Download the video of the thing running. it sounds ok, meaning it "sounds" like it's revving at about 5 grand, but in reality it's barely hitting 1000 rpm. Looks like an 8 (4 sets of opposed piston assemblies) cylinder model they are testing. I think upper end wear is it's main problem, as well as too low of real rpm. Also the load on those "lobes" has to be tremendous.
44 posted on 10/19/2005 12:11:48 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
At any rate, the amount of hardening on high load surfaces, expensive metallurgy on a valve train, probably make it very expensive.

I agree. It seems to be a reinvention of the wheel.

It would be interesting to see and hear one running though.

Yes it would.

45 posted on 10/19/2005 12:14:02 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Jack Black

"What's wrong with the Wankle? Why did only Mazda use it?"

The dying gasp of Norton motorcycles was a wankel powered bike.


46 posted on 10/19/2005 12:18:38 PM PDT by CATravelAgent (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: Joe Beerman

I have an '84 RX7 with 147,000 miles on it. I've never rebuilt it and I drive it regularly. When it was new in '84 it was quicker to 60 mph than the '84 Corvette. I'll stick with my 1.3 liter Rotary. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!


47 posted on 10/19/2005 12:19:09 PM PDT by midwestmidnight
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To: Nathan Zachary

You probably just hit a couple of nails squarely on the head. I work with very high pressure fuel pumps that look stikingly similar to this concept. Most of the working internals are superfinished tool steels or ceramic. Big bucks.

As RPM increases, the demands on the injectors, valvetrain and ignition system will increase at 3X the rate of a standard engine. Keeping everything moving, timed and controlled at high RPM is probably going top be difficult (read: expensive).


48 posted on 10/19/2005 12:20:54 PM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Never underestimate the speed in which the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

bump for later. Looks cool.


49 posted on 10/19/2005 12:21:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase (""As far as I can tell, she (Miers) is every bit as conservative as George Bush." --NCsteve (FR))
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To: Jack of all Trades
Thanks.
Good post.
50 posted on 10/19/2005 12:22:11 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: Yardstick
Depending on how the valves and timing works, while each firing turns it only 1/3rd of a turn, you would get a piston firing once or twice for every turn because each piston get's six strokes per turn rather than two. If you apply the appropriate gearing, it shouldn't have to rev all that high any more than an old high displacement V8 had to.
51 posted on 10/19/2005 12:31:52 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: midwestmidnight
have an '84 RX7 with 147,000 miles on it. I've never rebuilt it and I drive it regularly. When it was new in '84 it was quicker to 60 mph than the '84 Corvette. I'll stick with my 1.3 liter Rotary.

I suspect you're not the average driver. I haven't played with a rotary since the seventies, but was amazed at the power they pushed out of a 982cc engine!

The R100 was an awesome sleeper that would leave most vettes in the dust. Add a holley 650 carb and you had a true racing machine that ate fiberglass for lunch.

Happy to see you guys are getting more mileage out of them now.
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52 posted on 10/19/2005 12:35:30 PM PDT by Joe Beerman
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To: eraser2005

More like an X-6, I think...


53 posted on 10/19/2005 12:35:37 PM PDT by null and void (Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: 19th LA Inf

Another way to achieve zero side loading on pistons is with dual counter-rotating crankshafts and two con rods to each piston, which isn't as bad as it sounds as they can be made half as big.

There's hundreds of ideas out there for improving the internal combustion piston engine, some of which might work, but they all require massive amounts of R&D money to ever be competitive with the current designs, in which we already have billions of dollars in tooling to produce.


54 posted on 10/19/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: 19th LA Inf
No, you are wrong about high compression ratios. True, you can develop more power with good fuel and high ratios, but we just don't have good fuel. With unleaded gas, compressions had to be reduced, and high cylinder temps also created nasty hydrocarbons which have been banned.

So we use lower compression ratios so we can burn crappy unleaded fuel which has a much lower flash point than fuels of the past. Notice how gas seems to go bad after sitting for a month or two? I swear, it's half water. (which helps control detonation)
You could raise compression a bit more, and get better power if you use alcohol blended gas, but you would have to use high percentage blends, 25% or more, re-jet carbs or recalibrate fuel injectors. You would loose fuel efficiency because you need more alcohol in the fuel air mixture to prevent meltdowns. So the option is low compression engines to burn todays crappy gas.

55 posted on 10/19/2005 12:40:37 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: elbucko

Yep, the usual achille's heel of unconvential IC engine designs: parts, materials and manufacturing techniques that are either non-existent or extremely expensive. Too much so to overcome the inertia of conventional designs.


56 posted on 10/19/2005 12:41:20 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Nathan Zachary

Would stress really go up? Sure you have a large lever arm when the piston rolls over the nose of the cam and starts pushing it down, but it seems that there is a large bearing area available. In a standard IC engine all that force is transmitted through a half inch wrist pin and a two inch rod journal.

I just spoke with another engineer here and apparently Revetec has been hawking this engine for a couple of years without any real bites. Cool tech, high power density, but expensive.

On another note, I'll bet things could get interesting in a hurry if one of these engines develops a misfire.


57 posted on 10/19/2005 12:43:19 PM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Never underestimate the speed in which the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away.)
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To: Yardstick
But couldn't you get around this by gearing it back up through the transmission?

I suppose, But I don't think I've ever turned my tires at greater than 2000 RPM.

Hmmm. Tires, say, 24" diameter. 75 inches per rotation. 63360 inches per mile. About 840 rotations per mile. Two miles per minute at 120 MPH. 1700 RPM.

Maybe one could skip the transmission entirely if the low end torque is high enough?

58 posted on 10/19/2005 12:49:23 PM PDT by null and void (Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: AntiGuv; Constitution Day

cool stuff ping


59 posted on 10/19/2005 12:50:44 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Want to be on my Civil Engineers ping list? Say the word!)
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To: wildcatf4f3

I had a 75 X1/9. Worst engineered car I've ever owned! The pistons were in backwards!.........


60 posted on 10/19/2005 1:05:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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