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Film rolls as troops burn dead
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 19, 2005 | Tom Allard

Posted on 10/19/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Rebelbase

US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt the bodies of dead Taliban and taunted their opponents about the corpses, in an act deeply offensive to Muslims and in breach of the Geneva conventions.

An investigation by SBS's Dateline program, to be aired tonight, filmed the burning of the bodies.

It also filmed a US Army psychological operations unit broadcasting a message boasting of the burnt corpses into a village believed to be harbouring Taliban.

According to an SBS translation of the message, delivered in the local language, the soldiers accused Taliban fighters near Kandahar of being "cowardly dogs". "You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burnt. You are too scared to retrieve their bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys we always believed you to be," the message reportedly said.

"You attack and run away like women. You call yourself Taliban but you are a disgrace to the Muslim religion, and you bring shame upon your family. Come and fight like men instead of the cowardly dogs you are."

The burning of a body is a deep insult to Muslims. Islam requires burial within 24 hours.

Under the Geneva conventions the burial of war dead "should be honourable, and, if possible, according to the rites of the religion to which the deceased belonged".

US soldiers said they burnt the bodies for hygiene reasons but two reporters, Stephen Dupont and John Martinkus, said the explanation was unbelievable, given they were in an isolated area.

SBS said Australian special forces in Afghanistan were operating from the same base as the US soldiers involved in the incident, although no Australians took part in the action.

The incident is reminiscent of the psychological techniques used in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.


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KEYWORDS: illegalcombatants; taliban; victory
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To: Rebelbase
in breach of the Geneva conventions.

The Talibani are not signatories to the Geneva conventions, so it’s is impossible for our treatment of them to be in breach of those conventions.

The fact that they behead their prisoners alive might have given the journalist some clue as to the inablicability of those rules in this conflict.

21 posted on 10/19/2005 9:03:51 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Rebelbase

Geneva Conventions either apply to both parties or neither. In this case, the Islamic terrorists, who are war criminals on a scale not seen in living memory, are not parties to the GC and thus can claim no protection under its provisions.


22 posted on 10/19/2005 9:04:37 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Rebelbase
You attack and run away like women

Hillary's not going to like this.

23 posted on 10/19/2005 9:04:50 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: vrwc0915
"And the problem is? "

If we were in a slash and burn war with the goal of complete subjugation of the indigenous population I would not have a problem with it.

Being that we are not in such a war and we are required to abide by measures to "endear" us to the local population I find it improbable that such an event occurred.

It smells of leftist media propaganda. Does George Soros own any of the SMH?
24 posted on 10/19/2005 9:06:58 AM PDT by Rebelbase (""As far as I can tell, she (Miers) is every bit as conservative as George Bush." --NCsteve (FR))
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To: Rebelbase

I find it outrageous that a newspaper that purports itself to be anything other than a tool of the enemy, would publish this.

It does absolutely no good.

Its one thing to rub crap in the faces of the Taliban, they deserve it, but to publicize this tactic at home is treason.

It is the equivalent of showing how we interrogated Japanese soldiers in WWII to get information that could save lives. We did not publicize the methods because it would have turned our own people against us. Like making sausage, some things are best not viewed by the general public.


25 posted on 10/19/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Rebelbase
US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt the bodies of dead Taliban and taunted their opponents about the corpses, in an act deeply offensive to Muslims and in breach of the Geneva conventions

Yea, well I consider mangling U.S. troops with roadside bombs and killing innocent civilians with suicide bombers deeply offensive, so I guess we're even.

And I'm pretty they're a breach of the Geneva Conventions as well, though I'll probably have to check to be sure.
26 posted on 10/19/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Frank_Discussion
When the islamofascists start acting as soldiers, instead of murdering animals, then the GC can be applied.

I have no idea is Afghanistan is a signatory to the Geneva convention or not. If so, Constitutionally we are bound to abide by it. A ratified treaty is the law of the land and those military members not abiding by it are in violation of the law and their oath to uphold the Constitution. The LAST thing you want is the military making up their own rules as they go.

Cordially,
GE
27 posted on 10/19/2005 9:07:44 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Rebelbase

Next time, maybe they shouldn't wait until they're dead?


28 posted on 10/19/2005 9:07:44 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Rebelbase
Under the Geneva conventions the burial of war dead "should be honourable, and, if possible, according to the rites of the religion to which the deceased belonged".

Islamic fascists fighters do not fall under the rules of the Geneva Convention. They are "unlawful combatants", not regular Army soldiers who are protected under International rules and laws.

Under the United States military "Law of Armed Conflict" (LOAC) rules, the Taliban fighters are not given the same rights and privileges as would be awarded lawful combatants.

For instance, LOAC rules state that an opposing force must wear a distinct and recognizable military uniform. This is a big deal. If any military soldier, airman, or seaman is caught behind enemy lines not wearing his uniform, he is treated as a spy, and there are no POW, Geneva Convention, or International laws to protect him or her.

The Taliban chooses to fight outside the laws of the Geneva Convention, yet this liberal Australian newspaper wants them awarded such a privilege.

No dice.

29 posted on 10/19/2005 9:09:00 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Rebelbase
The story is probably alot of BS, but if it ain't......

Hopefully they poured pig fat over the bodies first to help perpetuate the conflagration......

30 posted on 10/19/2005 9:09:33 AM PDT by b4its2late (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.)
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To: Frank_Discussion
I see no problem with any of this -
I'll add that they should have heaped a dead pig atop the burnt bodies........
31 posted on 10/19/2005 9:09:46 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Rebelbase
First of all...why is FreeRepublic so slow today.

It takes about 20 seconds for my browser (Mazilla) to put up the page. Every other site loads instantly on my computer...and YES...I AM LOGGED IN! ;^)

Notice that the Australian writers were quick to point out that none of their soldiers took part in this event.

32 posted on 10/19/2005 9:09:52 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot

I having the same problems. V e r y s l o w


33 posted on 10/19/2005 9:10:44 AM PDT by Rebelbase (""As far as I can tell, she (Miers) is every bit as conservative as George Bush." --NCsteve (FR))
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To: Rebelbase
Dead Taliban are not war dead and the Geneva convention doesn't apply to this enjoyable cremation.
34 posted on 10/19/2005 9:11:05 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: L98Fiero

Burning corpses is allowed, even under Geneva conventions.

The media is trying to slam the nation as usual. As others point out, these terrorists burn corpses all the time, film beheadings, etc. They show NO respect for any other religion, I'll be damned we should respect theirs.

Osama could have come claimed the bodies of his relatives, but he didn't show up.


35 posted on 10/19/2005 9:11:43 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GVgirl

Something about whole this thing smells.


36 posted on 10/19/2005 9:12:08 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: GrandEagle

First. don't assume this video exists and is true IE. I can edit and photo shop anyhting to look like a war crime
and second the PSYOP message has been in use for over two years, I came up with it when we were going after Taliban in Zabol province we printed it on leaflets and also braodcast it on the ludspeakers from helicopters. it really pissed them off and they would come out and fight after we used this message


37 posted on 10/19/2005 9:13:12 AM PDT by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Rebelbase

"taunted their opponents about the corpses, in an act deeply offensive to Muslims"

Cry me a river. Flying planes filled with civilians into buildings full of people just trying to make a living was "deeply offensive" to me and all of us. These Taliban and Al Qaeda slime started this thing. If the cry baby sub-humans don't like it, maybe they should think twice next time before bringing it with the USA. And maybe the cry baby sub-humans at the Sydney rag ought to talk about the corpese of charred Australians killed in the two Bali bombings instead of wringing their hands over the treatment of Taliban beasts.


38 posted on 10/19/2005 9:13:50 AM PDT by MikeA
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To: Rebelbase

Boo-frickin-hoo...


39 posted on 10/19/2005 9:14:08 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: milwguy

Good question...they're not so "tough" now that they're out of power. F**k the Taliban!


40 posted on 10/19/2005 9:15:02 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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