Posted on 10/17/2005 6:05:06 PM PDT by pigdog
A continuation of the former thread that shows the reaction being put into the Comments by individuals to the Tax Panel.
The former thread is here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1501413/posts?page=1
... and you can see that the more recent comments just continue the unrelenting complaints to the Panel as well as the grassreoots swelling voice for the FairTax. Once more these comments have been neither selected nor edited.
This is America speaking and it's going to continue ...
There is only one aspect of the Fair Tax as described in the Boortz/Linder book that is flawed, and that was the wage vs. prices analysis. All the other points (reduction in tax compliance costs, benefits of bringing business back to America, easier compliance, more fair, taxes the underground economy and tourist business) are 100% accurate.
It hasn't even been born yet.
Tax reform will eventually become a reality... because it has to if we are to survive as a nation.
The better alternative is reform sooner. But it has to happen if we're going to continue to be a viable economy.
There is only one aspect of the Fair Tax as described in the Boortz/Linder book that is flawed, and that was the wage vs. prices analysis. All the other points (reduction in tax compliance costs, benefits of bringing business back to America, easier compliance, more fair, taxes the underground economy and tourist business) are 100% accurate.One thing in your list that exemplifies how the FairTaxers warp the discussion with their simplistic analysis is the idea that there will be gains under the FairTax because of tourists. It is so typical that FairTaxers look at a positive and ignore a negative. Sure tourists will come here and pay sales tax, but our citizens visit other countries, too. So the money foreigners spend here would be money that wasn't previously taxed, but the money US citizens spend in foreign countries would be money that was previously taxed but wouldn't be under the FairTax. It ends up basically being a wash but the FairTaxers warp it into a positive.
Tax reform will eventually become a reality... because it has to if we are to survive as a nation.Tax reform doesn't not equate to the FairTax. There are a lot better ideas out there and they have a real chance of being implemented. Some of them are being discussed by the Panel even as I type this. The FairTaxers do a disservice to all of us by being so dogmatic in their support of the FairTax. They've lost reason.
Really it depends on how much tourism TO the US we have vs. tourists from the US going elsewhere.
You fail to mention the underground economy. Now drug dealers will pay taxes.
I'd be willing to accept ANY real reform. Even a flat tax. The bottom line is that what we have now is overburdening, expensive, complicated, and unfair.
You fail to mention the underground economy. Now drug dealers will pay taxes.When before their customers were and with the FairTax wouldn't be on their purchase. The current system gets it going into the underground economy - a sales tax would get it coming out. Again, a wash.
Some of the CPA types actually wish the income tax would go away as the income tax work is not too profitable and fraught with many unhappy clients.
H&R Block has actually said they'd PREFER to not do taxes, concentrating instead on the more profitable financial services advice they apparently now do.
They'll rapidly become unhooked as more and more voters make their sentiments known as do those in the Comments to the Tax Panel.
Quite a few of the Commentors have said they don't intend to vote for someone who does not support the FairTax. Good for them!
Job #1 with congress, after all, is getting re-elected. They don't get all the perquisites if they don't hold the seat.
My T-shirt reads "No NIghtmare Tax", Nightie.
With the attitude you have you'll never get elected to Congress - that's clear. Of course you lie enough, but you've just picked the wrong tax system.
Actually, Nightie, the Comments are more targeted at the Congressmen rather than the Panel. The Panel is a nonentity, anyway, and only reports to John Snow in Treasury. Being, in effect, an arm of the Treasury whose $11 Billion IRS budget for 2006 depends on having same aroung, how can anyone be surprised by their non-recos?
Since you think you're so expert vs the FairTax (pun intended) perhaps you'd like to refute each individual commentary (rather than trying to be dismissive) on this thread in post #5???
Even the part you think of as "flawed" is less so that you might think. Wages will be 100% of gross wages for the most part with the portion that was sent for taxes now going to the wage earner.
Even prices will decline with the removal of the income tax and examples that have been given on these threads many times show there to be a good bit of room for that decline even considering only the removal of business income taxes. Compliance cost removal will merely add to that.
Actually, Nightie, the Comments are more targeted at the Congressmen rather than the Panel.Which is why you submitted them to the Panel. Another brilliant tactic by the FairTaxers.
The Panel is a nonentity, anyway, and only reports to John Snow in Treasury. Being, in effect, an arm of the Treasury whose $11 Billion IRS budget for 2006 depends on having same aroung, how can anyone be surprised by their non-recos?As usual, if someone isn't for the FairTax you have to question their motives as if no one could just think it's a bad idea.
Since you think you're so expert vs the FairTax (pun intended) perhaps you'd like to refute each individual commentary (rather than trying to be dismissive) on this thread in post #5???Please. Those comments are a complete waste of time and I'm not going to waste my time correcting the kooks. The vast majority of those comments are so inane they don't warrant refuting. They are just further confirmation that FairTaxers are just kooks.
That's just more of your liberal left coast (strange since you're in TX, but, hey, there are lots of OTHER cow pies there, too).
With the FairTax, the real offset is that the US folks spending money in other countries won't be using those $$ to pay the FairTax while the foreigners WILL be within the US. So it may be a wash, but hardly in the way you present. With the FairTax the law of the land, money spent in other countries is legally not taxed by the US (increasing the citizen's purchasing power) while at present it can only be used as after-tax $$ reduced by the income tax (in effect making offshore purchases that much more expensive).
That means the "wash" works exactly the opposite of the way you attempt to present it.
Really, Nightie???? Is, perhaps, the non-existent Nightmare Flat (or Nightmare VAT) in that mix as some of the "a lot better ideas"?
Perhaps you could be more specific rather than waiting till the Panel finishes (when you would then claim "... see I knew it all along ...")?
More of your "stuff and nonsense".
As has been pointed out to you many times, Nightie, it is not "a wash" (one of your favorite terms attempting to belittle or minimize actual FairTax advantages).
The FairTax gains 23% of each taxable purchase which is FAR more that any present contribution from illegal economy money spent. You've been shown on a $100 purchase the FairTax is $23 and on the present purchase with illegal economy funds it is something like $3.75 - and that's giving the benefit of the doubt to the income tax ... it's probably actually a good bit lower than $3.75.
That means the "wash" works exactly the opposite of the way you attempt to present it.You might try writing a coherent sentence before making such a statement.
Really, Nightie???? Is, perhaps, the non-existent Nightmare Flat (or Nightmare VAT) in that mix as some of the "a lot better ideas"? Perhaps you could be more specific rather than waiting till the Panel finishes (when you would then claim "... see I knew it all along ...")?You never fail to amuse.
Commenting to the Panel is merely another way to get the word out ... and to the congressmen. You'd find that most of those commenting are already all over their elected reps like a wet t-shirt.
It's not that you're "not for" the FairTax, but that you use such a series of outrageous lies and misinformation (as do many others in the Squirrels nest of yours) all the while claiming the FairTax supporters are doing so - and always without proof; merrely hot air on your part.
It is hardly surprising you cannot refute the "kooks" - as you call a good chunk of the American people. They are speaking and perhaps you should listen instead of blabbering your folderol endlessly,
That means you've got is bassackwards, dufus.
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