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Posted on 10/17/2005 9:29:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Property-tax plan: Levy on toilet paper

By Angela Couloumbis

Inquirer Staff Writer

To ease the pain of skyrocketing property-tax bills, Pennsylvania lawmakers could soon start hitting below the belt.

Tampons, toilet paper, diapers, baby wipes - all would be subject to a new state sales tax under one plan that will be considered during the legislature's special session on property-tax reform, which resumes today.

Gov. Rendell called the special session last month to push legislators into helping him fix his signature property-tax-relief plan, which was roundly rejected by school districts across the state. Known as Act 72 and signed into law last year, it would use future gambling revenue from slots parlors to wean school districts off property taxes.

But since Rendell first announced the special session, dozens of lawmakers have come forth with tax-relief ideas of their own that they believe should usurp - or, at least, rival - the need to fix Act 72.

Some have generated more buzz than others. What, if anything, ends up with enough support to make it through the legislature is anyone's guess, legislative officials say.

"Right now, there are about half-a-dozen major plans, each with its own set of supporters," said Erik Arneson, chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader David J. Brightbill (R., Lebanon). "It is definitely too early to guess what the final outcome is going to be."

Still, a handful of plans has provoked the most discussion, including one pushed by a group of conservative House legislators called the Commonwealth Caucus.

(Excerpt) Read more at kentucky.com ...


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1 posted on 10/17/2005 9:29:12 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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this will be the biggest mistake if they swap property taxes for an increase in the Sales Tax and expansion of the sales tax base.


2 posted on 10/17/2005 9:31:13 AM PDT by cynicalman
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To: Sub-Driver; hipaatwo; Lancey Howard
To ease the pain of skyrocketing property-tax bills, Pennsylvania lawmakers could soon start hitting below the belt

So they add a new tax??

Oh yea ... that makes sense

3 posted on 10/17/2005 9:31:33 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

In New Jersey, for instance, when then-Gov. Jim Florio in 1990 expanded the sales tax to include toilet paper, among other things, thousands of angry citizens mailed toilet paper to the governor and legislators in protest. And some of it had been used.


4 posted on 10/17/2005 9:34:20 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: Sub-Driver

Tax relief by tax hike. Now THAT makes sense. NOT. They tried taxing toilet paper, diapers, tampons etc years ago and the voters of PA were MAD. Needless to say, it had a short shelf life in PA politics. I hope the same thing happens again.


5 posted on 10/17/2005 9:35:24 AM PDT by cake_crumb (They're Not Conservative Enough! Get a Rope so We Can Hang Ourselves!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Here's a crazy thought for the PA Lawmakers

STOP WASTING OUR MONEY and that will lower taxes


6 posted on 10/17/2005 9:36:32 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Sub-Driver

I guess next time I'm there I'll take a second piece of baggage. In: full of toilet paper; Out: full of lard-cooked potato chips and birch beer.


7 posted on 10/17/2005 9:40:23 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Sub-Driver
Jim Florio thought taxing toilet paper was a good idea too.

Jim Florio brought the wrath of an entire state down on his head.

8 posted on 10/17/2005 9:43:49 AM PDT by OldFriend (Corine Lombardo ~ American Patriot)
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To: Mo1
No plan is perfect but the Commonwealth Caucus Plan is, so far, the best attempt at true property tax reform. The opponents of the plan fail to report that in addition to eliminating property taxes, it would also eliminate the 1% Earned Income Tax imposed by school districts plus all other so-called nuisance taxes such as the Percapita Tax and Occupational Priviledge Tax.

Instead of ridiculing the plan because it currently expands the Sales Tax to include toilet paper, etc. wouldn't it be more productive to find a way to make it work? No, these days we just sit around carping and complaining. It's so much easier than rolling up our sleeves and getting a problem solved.

9 posted on 10/17/2005 9:55:13 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Sub-Driver

I'm really sick of tax and spend Rendell and the Democrats in Pittsburgh and the state of PA. They never met a tax they didn't like.


10 posted on 10/17/2005 10:14:40 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think the republicans in Pennsylvania and in the Congress forgot why they were put there. I think they need a few losses to remind them.

Flush twice, it’s a long way to Harrisburg.


11 posted on 10/17/2005 10:16:30 AM PDT by Herakles
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To: Russ

Cut back on the union vote-generated, make-work projects which are designed to generate payola for PA officials as well as appease the unions and forget taxing necessary paper products will fix it. The odds of such a thing being CONSIDERED are slim to none.


12 posted on 10/17/2005 10:16:32 AM PDT by cake_crumb (They're Not Conservative Enough! Get a Rope so We Can Hang Ourselves!)
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If considering such things are slim to none then propose something else. If you picked 250 names at random off the voter registration list in Pa. and put them in the Legislature for one term we would have Property Tax reform within a year. It really isn't rocket science...


13 posted on 10/17/2005 10:23:39 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Sub-Driver
Paging Jim Florio...
14 posted on 10/17/2005 10:39:55 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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Florio free in 93!


15 posted on 10/17/2005 10:41:04 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: Russ
Its been awhile since I have seen info on the Commonwealth Caucus Plan but you are correct. I can't help but believe that we would be ahead by expanding the sales tax. Every body would be paying the taxes, not just the property owners. Everyone entering the state and making purchases would be contributing as well as those people that have never paid a nickle in property taxes.
16 posted on 10/17/2005 10:44:57 AM PDT by depenzz (My tastes are simple, I 'm always satisfied by the best)
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Yeah, old Jim "Dump" Florio.

I worked for state government during that period (I lost my first state job as part of the lay-offs that accompanied the sales tax repeal after the Republicans took the State House in 1991 -- I voted Republican then and would do it again). At one point, you could drive into the parking lot behind the State House past cars with "Dump Florio" bumper stickers.

17 posted on 10/17/2005 10:45:36 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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If an individual's taxes were based on how much government services were consumed by that individual, then there would wouldn't be this constant evasion.

On the one hand, you have property owners paying for the education of other's children. Owning property has nothing to do with how much school services you consume. If anything, home owners consume much less. They try to fight back by increasing a tax on those products used by families, like diapers.

It's really a silly game.


18 posted on 10/17/2005 10:52:41 AM PDT by mc6809e
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The only real solution to getting rid of the tax and spend mentality is to give spending power to a separate body of representatives that represent taxpayers.

People that don't pay taxes, or receive government money have no incentive not to vote for the person that is going to spend the most.
19 posted on 10/17/2005 10:55:39 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Sub-Driver

well ... under Fast Eddie ... PA is going down the _______


20 posted on 10/17/2005 11:16:17 AM PDT by bluebeak
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