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Pa. professor [Behe] to testify in landmark case [Dover evolution trial, 16 Oct]
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 16 October 2005 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

Posted on 10/16/2005 1:28:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Marginalized by his university colleagues, ridiculed as a quack by the scientific establishment, Michael Behe continues to challenge the traditional theory of how the world came to be.

For more than a decade, the tenured Lehigh University biochemistry professor and author has been one of the nation's leading proponents of intelligent design, a movement trying to alter how Darwin's theory of evolution is taught in school.

This week, Behe will testify in a federal courtroom in Harrisburg in a landmark case about whether students in a Pennsylvania classroom should be required to hear a statement before their evolution classes that says Darwin's theory is not a fact.

"The fact that most biology texts act more as cheerleaders for Darwin's theory rather than trying to develop the critical faculties of their students shows the need, I think, for such statements," Behe said.

In papers, speeches and a 1996 best-selling book called "Darwin's Black Box," Behe argues that Darwinian evolution cannot fully explain the biological complexities of life, suggesting the work of an intelligent force.

His life on the academic fringes can be lonely. Critics say the concept is nothing more than biblical creationism in disguise. He long ago stopped applying for grants and trying to get his work published in mainstream scientific journals. In August, his department posted a Web statement saying the concept is not scientific.

"For us, Dr. Behe's position is simply not science. It is not grounded in science and should not be treated as science," said Neal Simon, the biology department chairman.

Behe said he was a believer in Darwin when he joined Lehigh in 1985, but became a skeptic after reading Michael Denton's book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

Behe's big idea, published in "Darwin's Black Box" and the one that catapulted him to academic fame, is irreducible complexity. It is the notion that certain biochemical systems are incapable of having evolved in Darwinian fashion because they require all of their parts working simultaneously.

Behe uses a mousetrap to illustrate the concept. Take away any of its parts - platform, spring, hammer, catch - and the mousetrap can't catch mice.

"Intelligent design becomes apparent when you see a system that has a number of parts and you see the parts are interacting to perform a function," he said.

The book "put the positive case for design on the map in a way that some of the (previous intelligent design) work had not done," said Steven Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute [http://www.discovery.org]. Most of academia panned it.

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education [ http://www.ncseweb.org], said that he believes Behe thought he discovered something astonishing. "But no one is using irreducible complexity as a research strategy, and with very good reason ... because it's completely fruitless," he said.

Behe finds community in a Web group that he says includes like-minded faculty from other universities. Most keep their views to themselves, Behe said, because "it's dangerous to your career to be identified as an ID proponent."

He earned tenure at Lehigh before becoming a proponent, which lets him express his views without the threat of losing his job.

"Because of the immense publicity that's mushroomed around this issue in the past six months, more people are getting emotional about the topic," Behe said. "And it's generally not on my side."


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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Did Christ literally rise from the dead or was that "spiritual" to?"

Christ did rise bodily from the dead. That is the one point in biblical text where there is no conflict between the spiritual and material histories. It is also the miracle that justifies the Christian faith, because it is a clear negation of the primacy of scientific reasoning in life.

It also does nothing to support a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.
81 posted on 10/16/2005 3:29:24 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: StJacques
***True; but the mysteries of faith do imply that the attempts of men to use rational discourse to make them understandable will fail because faith is of the will, not reason.***

Would you apply the same to the Gospel narratives? How then could you know that Jesus literally was crucified or that he literally rose from the dead?
82 posted on 10/16/2005 3:30:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Burning your enemies or being rolled by them - neither is a good option."

Neither Galileo nor Darwin were enemies of the Church.
83 posted on 10/16/2005 3:30:47 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: PetroniusMaximus

And what is your justification for "tossing out" things in science?


84 posted on 10/16/2005 3:32:32 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Quark2005
If you have to believe EVERY word of the Bible is a 100% absolutely accurate historical record to be a Christian

Do Biblical literalists believe that a man and a woman meld into a single gelatinous mass of organic matter when they become "one flesh"?
85 posted on 10/16/2005 3:34:14 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
". . . How then could you know that Jesus literally was crucified or that he literally rose from the dead?"

See my #81 above.
86 posted on 10/16/2005 3:35:24 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: StJacques

But that's not where the argument resides. At least it very rarely does. This doesn't concern human nature, it concerns nature. A unity of disparate causes might work well for a Catholic view of human nature. But what about nature itself. Does the Catholic view still entertain the Aristotelian first cause?


87 posted on 10/16/2005 3:37:36 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: StJacques

But that's not where the argument resides. At least it very rarely does. This doesn't concern human nature, it concerns nature. A unity of disparate causes might work well for a Catholic view of human nature. But what about nature itself. Does the Catholic view still entertain the Aristotelian first cause?


88 posted on 10/16/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Christ was referring to the literal account of Creation contained in Genesis.

Which begs the question, which one?
89 posted on 10/16/2005 3:38:42 PM PDT by whattajoke (I'm back... kinda.)
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To: StJacques
*** That is the one point in biblical text where there is no conflict between the spiritual and material histories. ***

That is not true. Reports circulated in the day that his body was stolen. There are NO secular reports that confirm his resurrection. What facts we know of the resurrection we know from the Bible alone.


***It is also the miracle that justifies the Christian faith, because it is a clear negation of the primacy of scientific reasoning in life.***

You have MADE my point for me. Scripture negates the primacy of scientific reasoning in life. "Science" will never accept the resurrection - the central fact of the Christian faith is in direct contradiction to the scientific mindset.



*** It also does nothing to support a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.***

Where in the biblical text is the conflict between the spiritual and material histories regarding Genesis?
90 posted on 10/16/2005 3:38:50 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Darwin Genesis directly contradicts the account of Genesis. Both can't be right.
91 posted on 10/16/2005 3:40:38 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: StJacques
One of the key tenets of Christianity is that the nature of God is ultimately unexplainable in rational human terms

Yes, but don't forget divine incomprehensibility. To use an argument a fortiori, if we are not in the complete now of our own nature, or that of the universe, can't expect that we got a handle on God.

92 posted on 10/16/2005 3:41:03 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Where in the biblical text is the conflict between the spiritual and material histories regarding Genesis?

Between Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 there are all kinds of conflicts. They were written in different periods. Gen. 2 was written before Gen. 1. Go figure.

93 posted on 10/16/2005 3:42:23 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Dimensio
Do Biblical literalists believe that a man and a woman meld into a single gelatinous mass of organic matter when they become "one flesh"?

I don't know (I never thought of that one...). However, I do always find it ironic that it's generally the exact same crowd who insists that Genesis must be taken exactly literally does the exact opposite with the book of Revelation, reading allegory into almost every verse (i.e. referring to America as "Babylon") to twist the meaning enough to make it look like a prophecy for the immediate future.

I really think there's more of an agenda of control and self-advocation for many of these people than what the true meaning of the Word of God is. (Christ warned us about such people...)

94 posted on 10/16/2005 3:42:40 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: whattajoke

***Which begs the question, which one?***

Thank you!!! Good question!

Both!


Matthew 19:3-5

And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?" He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, (Genesis 1:27)...

... and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh' (Genesis 2:24)?


95 posted on 10/16/2005 3:42:57 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Science" will never accept the resurrection - the central fact of the Christian faith is in direct contradiction to the scientific mindset.

If science were to show how resurrection were possible, you would be jumping up and down on the side of science, no?

96 posted on 10/16/2005 3:44:46 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Marginalized by his university colleagues, ridiculed as a quack by the scientific establishment, Michael Behe continues to challenge the traditional theory of how the world came to be."

Now there's a good way to start an article. Really inspires me to delve more....

97 posted on 10/16/2005 3:45:06 PM PDT by csense
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To: cornelis
"Does the Catholic view still entertain the Aristotelian first cause?"

Yes; and so does science.
98 posted on 10/16/2005 3:45:14 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"That is not true. Reports circulated in the day that his body was stolen. There are NO secular reports that confirm his resurrection. What facts we know of the resurrection we know from the Bible alone. . . ."

I'm not giving you a secular report. I'm speaking to the mystery of faith. I truly do believe Christ rose bodily from the dead and that the biblical texts -- this is the Gospel of John -- make that clear.

". . . You have MADE my point for me. Scripture negates the primacy of scientific reasoning in life. . . ."

I have not made your point for you at all. You present Scripture within a rational scientific argument, a tactic I abhor. I present Scripture within a religious, i.e. "metaphysical," argument justifying the primacy of the will (faith) in human existence. Your argument blurs the lines between science and metaphysics, my argument states that science must be dealt with on its own terms and, whatever those terms may be, they will not explain the primacy of the human will.

"Where in the biblical text is the conflict between the spiritual and material histories regarding Genesis?"

It's all over the place. To say otherwise is to deny that allegory is used in biblical texts and I won't even bother to argue with one who denies that.
99 posted on 10/16/2005 3:53:46 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Did Christ literally rise from the dead or was that "spiritual" to?

The crucial difference between this and a literal six-day Creation is that God has provided us with direct physical evidence that the latter is not a literal fact. The revelation that nature provides us is just important as what Scripture provides. Unless you believe that Satan is responsible for planting all the geological, cosmological, paleontological, morphological, biogeographical, and genetic evidence that contradicts the archaic creationist model of the universe.

If the story of a talking serpent and the two sacred trees in a secret garden isn't an obvious example of a Parable, I don't know what is.

100 posted on 10/16/2005 3:53:48 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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