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75% Chance Miers Nomination is Withdrawn (John Fund says on John Batchelor Program)
John Batchelor Program - WABC Radio ^

Posted on 10/14/2005 7:23:47 AM PDT by new yorker 77

I was listening to the John Batchelor Program on WABC Radio in New York last night.

He commented on the process that went into nominating Miers and added that the likelyhood of her nomination withdrawn has grown.

It has grown from 5% last week, to 30% end of last week, to 50% beginning of this week, to 75% last night.

Fund was on the program to comment on his op-ed piece:

How She Slipped Through Harriet Miers's nomination resulted from a failed vetting process.

Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnbatchelor; johnfund; miers; scotus; supremecourt; talkradio; woodyallen
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

any chance it could be a conservative pundit cospiracy of "protesting too much?' to defuse criticism/ activism of the left. Afterall, Ann Coulter was a harbinger with her opposition to Roberts.


81 posted on 10/14/2005 8:13:36 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: inquest
If her name is withdrawn, then they'd find themselves facing a more conservative nominee.

The next nominee is Gonzalez. Paper trail, judge and ethnic minority most of what the RATS and Uber-Cons find lacking in Miers.

82 posted on 10/14/2005 8:13:45 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: inquest

Like he did on the war? Oh wait, didn't.

Like he did on tax cuts? Oh wait, didn't.

Like he did on Bolton? Oh wait, didn't.

Like he did on Roberts? Oh wait, didn't.

Dan


83 posted on 10/14/2005 8:14:28 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Map Kernow

"Bring it on". Okay, that's all we are asking for. Let her defend herself before the Judicial committee. She deserves that opportunity and the President deserves the respect of having his appointee heard.


84 posted on 10/14/2005 8:15:26 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Was it P.T. Barnum who once said, " there's a democrat and/ or RINO born every second." ????)
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To: Map Kernow
Here's my test for Harriet.

If you shoot a liberal weenie it will most likely result in a surrender. Shoot a conservative and fail to kill him and it will result in a grin of defiance.

If she withdraws after all this bashing, we will know that she is really a liberal.

Just my silly thought for the day.:)~

85 posted on 10/14/2005 8:15:58 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Republicans should give Miers a fair vote.)
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To: GOPJ

Here is what I found on the Heritage Foundation site concerning appointing SCJ's. I do not see in any of this, any Constitutional clause stating that YOU (or any pundit or self-declared "Base") has any right to, or any obligation from the President, to seek approval from ANYONE other than the Senate! Now wouldn't a "true" CONSTRUCTIONALIST wish to adhere to the "original" intent of the Framers?

http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wm800.cfm

"Appointments Clause


The President . . . shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law. . . .

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 2)



This clause contemplates three sequential acts for the appointment of principal officers—the nomination of the President, the advice and consent of the Senate, and the Appointment of the Official by the President. This clause applies to principal officers in contradistinction to inferior officers, whose appointment is addressed in the next portion of the clause. Although the Senate must confirm principal officers, including Ambassadors and Supreme Court Justices, Congress may choose to require that any officers whose office “is established by law” be confirmed by the Senate, whether they be inferior or not.



The important questions for principal officers and their confirmation are, first, whether the President has plenary power of nomination or whether the Constitution limits this power by requiring the President to seek prenomination advice; second, whether the President must nominate only those who meet qualifications set by Congress; and, third, whether the Senate has plenary power to reject nominees or whether that power is circumscribed by some standard.



Both the debates among the Framers and subsequent practice confirm that the President has plenary power to nominate. HE IS NOT OBLIGED TO TAKE ADVICE FROM THE SENATE ON THE IDENTITY OF THOSE HE WILL NOMINATE, NOR DOES THE CONGRESS HAVE AUTHORITY TO SET QUALIFICATIONS FOR PRINCIPAL OFFICERS. The Senate possesses the plenary authority to reject or confirm the nominee, although its weaker structural position means that it is likely to confirm most nominees, absent compelling reasons to reject them.



The very grammar of the clause is telling: the act of nomination is separated from the act of appointment by a comma and a conjunction. Only the latter act is qualified by the phrase “advice and consent.” Furthermore, it is not at all anomalous to use the word advice with respect to the action of the Senate in confirming an appointment. The Senate’s consent is advisory because confirmation does not bind the President to commission and empower the confirmed nominee. Instead, after receiving the Senate’s advice and consent, the President may deliberate again before appointing the nominee.



The purpose of dividing the act of nomination from that of appointment also refutes the permissibility of any statutory restriction on the individuals the President may nominate. The principal concern of the Framers regarding the Appointments Clause, as in many of the other separation of powers provisions of the Constitution, was to ensure accountability while avoiding tyranny. Hence, following the suggestion of Nathaniel Gorham of New Hampshire and the example of the Massachusetts Constitution drafted by John Adams, the Framers gave the power of nomination to the President so that the initiative of choice would be a single individual’s responsibility but provided the check of advice and consent to forestall the possibility of abuse of this power. Gouverneur Morris described the advantages of this multistage process: “As the President was to nominate, there would be responsibility, and as the Senate was to concur, there would be security.”



The Federalist similarly understands the power of nomination to be an exclusively presidential prerogative. In fact, Alexander Hamilton answered critics who would have preferred the whole power of appointment to be lodged in the President by asserting that the assignment of the power of nomination to the President alone assures sufficient accountability:



[I]t is easy to show that every advantage to be expected from such an arrangement would, in substance, be derived from the power of nomination which is proposed to be conferred upon him; while several disadvantages which might attend the absolute power of appointment in the hands of that officer would be avoided. In the act of nomination, his judgment alone would be exercised; and as it would be his sole duty to point out the man who, with the approbation of the Senate, should fill an office, his responsibility would be as complete as if he were to make the final appointment. The Federalist No. 76."



86 posted on 10/14/2005 8:16:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Mike Darancette
If the Republicans shoot down her nomination, what makes you think they'd let Gonzales past them?
87 posted on 10/14/2005 8:17:45 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: moose2004

Yes, after Bork and Ginsburg.


88 posted on 10/14/2005 8:20:28 AM PDT by stop_fascism (The goal is 5 votes that uphold the constitution)
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To: BibChr
Like he did on Medicare, like he did on NCLB, like he did on CFR, like he did on the borders, like he did with Katrina, like he did with Miers.
89 posted on 10/14/2005 8:21:33 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: veronica

Agree. May not like this nomination, but the President won't back down, and I doubt Miers will either.


90 posted on 10/14/2005 8:22:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Map Kernow

Small disagreement. Since you say that there is a chorus of "conservative politicians" who call this choice "idiotic", please post the names of, say, 5 conservative politicians that have said so.

THe opposition to myers are pundits, columnists, former administration people, and people who listen to those pundits and columnists.

The major conservative groups virtually all are either "pro-miers", or are saying they look forward to the hearings. Virtually all senators are saying they either support Miers, or we should wait for the hearings.

Even amongst the activists conservatives (FR) the vast majority are either "pro-miers" or saying we should wait for the hearings.

There is no great grassroot or other support for the idea of withdrawing this nomination.

THose who want her withdrawn are in a minority.

Our republican committee is working our butts off to get republicans elected in Virginia, and to a man we are shaking our heads at how our "allies" in the conservative movement are making our job so much harder by giving our enemies talking points that, if said by liberals, would earn universal condemnation by the conservative class.


91 posted on 10/14/2005 8:22:06 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: inquest

So predictable. "AAAAAH, Bush isn't a perfect tyrant! AAAAH!"

Anyway, the odds are about zero he'll withdraw this, and I hope neither he nor she does.

Dan


92 posted on 10/14/2005 8:23:22 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: new yorker 77

I hope this guy is right. If this Miers nomination goes though, there's going to be hell to pay. GWB will be a lame duck two years early.


93 posted on 10/14/2005 8:25:46 AM PDT by Smelly_Fed (me, Wondering where my President went.)
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To: BibChr

Like he did on education.

Like he did on prescription drugs.

Like he did on increased spending.

Like he did on affirmative action.


94 posted on 10/14/2005 8:25:52 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

See 92.


95 posted on 10/14/2005 8:26:46 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Earthdweller
If she withdraws after all this bashing, we will know that she is really a liberal.

This isn't just a boxing match or a football game. This is a matter of qualifications, of keeping faith with the base. There's a limit to this "Follow the Leader" stuff for Americans who love their freedom, and a lot of us have reached that limit.

96 posted on 10/14/2005 8:28:58 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
His pick is offensive to some, not to everyone, but that doesn't matter one iota anyway. She will first have to get past the Judicial Committee and then the entire Senate before being confirmed or not. Stopping the proccess anywhere short of that is anarchy

I have always wanted to say this to someone:

You need to spend some time inside the beltway!

You can be sure that inside the White House there is much discussion about whether to pull her nomination. They are probably polling until they drop, holding meetings day and night, and weighing the pros and cons of any scenario. Pulling a nominee isn't anarchy--it is just one possible outcome of an anarchic and lengthy deliberative process within the White House. :-)

Bush is a lame duck President, and is power over Senators is less every day.

He didn't expect opposition within his own party, and now he has to decide if this nominee is worth the fight, and whether he can get a better nominee confirmed.

Don't be shocked if Harriet calls a press conference and announces that the confirmation process would be too taxing for her family (you know, her dog and her cat...)

:-)
97 posted on 10/14/2005 8:29:03 AM PDT by cgbg (Need Katrina funding? Sell the airwaves.)
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To: veronica
I listened the other night as a so called soldier discussed the fact that the President is a liar and got them into the war under false assumptions.

Then Bell went on to say that he didn't want to be making political statements.....LOL.....it's hard to find more anti american hosts than on Coast to Coast.

98 posted on 10/14/2005 8:29:17 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: safisoft

I'm beginning to think that when he wins this battle, and stands up to this "fringe" nut wing of the republican party, it will strengthen him for the real battles ahead.

So when he says he is doing something because it is right, his opponents won't be able to say "he's just trying to play to his base", because his base had a meltdown.


99 posted on 10/14/2005 8:30:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: moose2004
Wasn't Anthony Kennedy Reagan's third nominee for one seat? Honestly I don't remember (I know he was at least the second nominee for that seat), either way it didn't weaken Reagan.

Well, it weakened Reagan in the sense that we ended up with Anthony Kennedy on the SC vs the two prior nominees who would have been more conservative (was it Carswell and Bork?). So given that outcome, the SC has definitely been weakened by Anthony Kennedy professing his admiration for using foreign law and his votes in passing liberal activist rulings.

I believe that either of his two prior nominees would have been constitutional advocates vs swing vote moderate-liberal Anthony Kennedy! Another win for the left-wing and loss for the conservatives.

100 posted on 10/14/2005 8:31:07 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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