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75% Chance Miers Nomination is Withdrawn (John Fund says on John Batchelor Program)
John Batchelor Program - WABC Radio ^

Posted on 10/14/2005 7:23:47 AM PDT by new yorker 77

I was listening to the John Batchelor Program on WABC Radio in New York last night.

He commented on the process that went into nominating Miers and added that the likelyhood of her nomination withdrawn has grown.

It has grown from 5% last week, to 30% end of last week, to 50% beginning of this week, to 75% last night.

Fund was on the program to comment on his op-ed piece:

How She Slipped Through Harriet Miers's nomination resulted from a failed vetting process.

Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnbatchelor; johnfund; miers; scotus; supremecourt; talkradio; woodyallen
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To: Mike Darancette
If Miers goes down I hope it is after her hearing, a hearing is the one thing the RATS and the Uber-Cons do not want.

Why would the Democrats not want it? If her name is withdrawn, then they'd find themselves facing a more conservative nominee.

Look, I know that you're embarrassed about having the Dems on your side in this, but denial isn't going to help with that.

61 posted on 10/14/2005 7:59:50 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Earthdweller
All but two Senate Judiciary Republicans have agreed to hearings...odds are not looking favorable for a withdrawal.

Hearings, schmearings. If two Senators or more don't let her through, it's over. If Bush wants that to happen, "Bring it on!"

So what are the odds you give?

62 posted on 10/14/2005 8:01:37 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wardaddy; inquest

Agree 100%. Read my post # 51.


63 posted on 10/14/2005 8:03:27 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Map Kernow
You tell us first what you think about these odds happening.
64 posted on 10/14/2005 8:04:57 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas
Were you expecting some kind of praise for your penetrating insight there?
65 posted on 10/14/2005 8:04:57 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

No I was just making fun of dumb people.


66 posted on 10/14/2005 8:05:39 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: samtheman
looks like they don't have a line on hm

Miers confirmed by Senate over 63%.

67 posted on 10/14/2005 8:05:39 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: new yorker 77

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011936.php


Who's Cracking Up?

Liberals everywhere are convinced that their hour is at hand. The latest voice of left-wing triumphalism is Newsweek's Howard Fineman, who announced "The Conservative Crack-up" today:

The “movement” – that began 50 years ago with the founding of Bill Buckley’s National Review; that had its coming of age in the Reagan Years; that reached its zenith with Bush’s victory in 2000 — is falling apart at the seams.


Fineman's theory is that one by one, the "constituent parts" of the conservative coalition are "going their own way," which is to say, turning their backs on the Bush administration. He goes down the list; in most cases, however, his analysis is dubious at best:

About religious conservatives, Fineman writes:

The Harriet Miers nomination was the final insult.***[W]hat really frosts the religious types is that Bush evidently feels that he can only satisfy them by stealth — by nominating someone with absolutely no paper trail. It’s an affront. And even though Dr. Dobson is on board — having been cajoled aboard by Rove — I don’t sense that there is much enthusiasm for the enterprise out in Colorado Springs.

I expect that any GOP 2008 hopeful who wants evangelical support — people like Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum and maybe even George Allen — will vote against Miers's confirmation in the Senate.


With all due respect to Mr. Fineman, this is the dumbest bit of political analysis I've seen in a long time. I am not aware of a single religious leader who has in any way objected to the Miers nomination or called it an "affront" to religious people. I know a great many religious conservatives, and not a single one of them adopts this view.

The idea that "religious types"--do you get the feeling that Fineman is writing about a group with whom he has little personal experience?--are "frosted" because Miers is a "stealth" candidate with "absolutely no paper trail" is mystifying. Miers has no paper trail as a judge or legal scholar because she has spent her career as a (circumspect) practicing lawyer, but one area where she is anything but "stealthy" is her religious life, about which a great deal--too much, in my opinion--has been said.

So Fineman's analysis makes no sense, and is supported by no data or even anecdotal observation. Here's a prediction, the exact opposite of Fineman's: not a single Republican Senator--least of all a Senator associated with the religious right--will vote against Miers.

The second group Fineman addresses is "corporate CEOs," who, he says, consider the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina "a mortal embarrassment to their class." Huh? This rather weird claim is supported by a single CEO whom Fineman met at a "typical CEO haunt." I suspect, however, that a large majority of CEOs understand that the federal role in disaster response is limited. In any event, if Fineman thinks that top corporate executives constitute a major part of the Republican Party, he hasn't been paying attention.

So far, we have two categories of people who supposedly have abandoned the President, with the evidence adduced consisting of exactly one human being. Fineman's next group is "smaller government deficit hawks." Here he is finally on to something, although "spending hawks" would, I think, be more accurate. There are two significant issues on which the Republican base is upset with the administration: illegal immigration and out-of-control domestic spending.

But does Fineman seriously think that small-government types will start turning to the Democrats? I don't. And he may not have noticed that, while the administration is still AWOL, Republicans in Congress seem to have gotten the message from the party's faithful, and serious efforts to cut Katrina spending, and find offsets elsewhere in the budget, are underway.

Next, "isolationists," who Fineman says "are back." Nonsense. Fineman's claim that concern about illegal immigration is the new cause of the "isolationists" is a complete non sequitur which is supported only by Fineman's reference to Pat Buchanan, one of the few actual isolationists who is, or once was, a Republican. Virtually all actual isolationists--bring the troops home from Iraq now, and who cares about the consequences?--are already Democrats.

Next, "neocons," by which Fineman apparently means anyone who supports the war in Iraq. These people, Fineman asserts, "seem to have given up on the ability of the Bush Administration to see that vision through."

Again, this is an assertion with no apparent support, save for a reference to the Weekly Standard. As a contributor to the Standard, I will say that if Fineman actually believes that magazine's writers and editors have abandoned the administration, let alone jumped ship to the Democrats, he is deluded.

And finally: "supply siders," Fineman acknowledges, "have yet to be disappointed" by the administration. However, he predicts that the President will call for a tax increase, thereby making the conservative crack-up "complete." I think the chance of that happening is close to zero, and I think Fineman and many others underestimate the depth of support among Republicans for a President who cuts their taxes.

The question remains, though, what is fueling this liberal triumphalism? The answer, no doubt, is President Bush's falling poll ratings. Another one came out today, showing the President at a record low for his Presidency. It seems that Bush's poll numbers have been in a steady decline almost from the day of his second inauguration. This, fundamentally, is what has the left dancing in the streets.

But are Bush's numbers really that bad? His current Real Clear Politics average stands at 41.7% approval. That is at or about the low point in nearly five years in office. How does it compare to other presidents' lowest poll ratings? Actually, it's not bad. Here are the low approval ratings for the last seven presidents:

*Johnson: 35%
*Nixon: 24%
*Ford: 37%
*Carter: 28%
*Reagan: 35%
*Bush I: 29%
*Clinton: 37%

Yes, that's right: Every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush's current nadir.

Objectively, the evidence for a "conservative crack-up" is thin, at best. The reality is that the Republican base is holding remarkably firm, in the face of a media onslaught against the Bush administration that has no parallel in modern history, and following months of little but bad news: gas prices, hurricanes, and casualties in Iraq (the only news most people hear from that part of the world).

Things could change, of course, but my guess is that the next year's news will be better for the administration and for Republicans than the past year's. The price of gas has likely peaked; Iraq will continue to stabilize, and troops will come home; absent more natural disasters, the economy will resume its steady growth; Harriet Miers will be confirmed and start voting with conservative majorities on the Court. Most likely, liberal dreams of the end of the conservative era will have to be deferred again.

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68 posted on 10/14/2005 8:05:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: GOPJ

Good leaders don't give a damn who they tick off, they do what they consider to be the right thing and damn the consequences to their popularity.

What Bush is doing is acting entirely within his authority as the duly elected President of these United States.

His pick is offensive to some, not to everyone, but that doesn't matter one iota anyway. She will first have to get past the Judicial Committee and then the entire Senate before being confirmed or not. Stopping the proccess anywhere short of that is anarchy.


69 posted on 10/14/2005 8:06:04 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Was it P.T. Barnum who once said, " there's a democrat and/ or RINO born every second." ????)
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To: Semper Paratus

It's better that she withdraw (the President can announce it any way he wants: she asked to withdraw, it was a mutual decision, whatever) than she be voted down in the Senate. That would really weaken the President!


70 posted on 10/14/2005 8:07:02 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: jveritas
You did a good imitation. Very convincing.
71 posted on 10/14/2005 8:07:22 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: new yorker 77; Miss Marple

I'd guess more like 0%.

What in W's performance gives anyone the idea he'd do this, or let Miers?

Dan


72 posted on 10/14/2005 8:07:31 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Semper Paratus
Forcing the President to withdraw her name now will weaken him and that is not a good thing.

I'd like to force the President to do his job and to secure our borders.

73 posted on 10/14/2005 8:08:33 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Forcing the President to withdraw her name now will weaken him and that is not a good thing.

He is already greatly weakened by this. This will in fact help restore his base. A short term weakening of President Bush, could help the GOP. As well, if he appoints a known strict constructionist and then regroups his base around a renewed effort toward lower spending and better border control, he will end up far stronger than he is now.
74 posted on 10/14/2005 8:08:40 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Pondman88

ditto...


75 posted on 10/14/2005 8:10:10 AM PDT by djl_sa
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Stopping the proccess anywhere short of that is anarchy.

Nonsense. It's just as legal to withdraw the nomination as not to withdraw it.

"Anarchy" is not a synonym for "political inconvenience for Bush", no matter how much his apologists insist that it is.

76 posted on 10/14/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Miss Marple

You must admit though that it's not just pundits, as evidenced by the massive split on this site. Where people with principled disagreement are characterized as "Pelosi-like" and every conservative commentator who has provided great fodder for discussion over the years must be discredited and ridiculed.

There was a small amount of that with Roberts but this is like a tidal wave went through our side. You can't just write that off as the work of a few pundits.


77 posted on 10/14/2005 8:12:16 AM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: BibChr
What in W's performance gives anyone the idea he'd do this, or let Miers?

You do have a point there. He generally only bends to pressure from liberals, not conservatives.

78 posted on 10/14/2005 8:12:46 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Miss Marple
The base are the grass-roots GOP (note that phrase...GOP) and pretty much support the President's choice.

If you mean "GOP" as those who are registered, donated, and have voted Republican for 3 decades, then you can count me OUT of your precentage. I don't "pretty much support" the President on this choice. I have been a loyal supporter of Bush until very recently, and this was the last straw.

On the other hand, if by "GOP" you mean people who pull the lever for "Republican" regardless of principles, you may be right.

Your repeated contention that only "far righters" and "libertarians" are against this nomination is wrong. Using terms like "far right" etc. only mimics the MSM, and tells where you put yourself.
79 posted on 10/14/2005 8:13:08 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: jveritas
You tell us first what you think about these odds happening.

Don't be childish. Fund says odds of withdrawal are 75%. Again, what do you think the odds are?

80 posted on 10/14/2005 8:13:35 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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