Posted on 10/14/2005 7:23:47 AM PDT by new yorker 77
I was listening to the John Batchelor Program on WABC Radio in New York last night.
He commented on the process that went into nominating Miers and added that the likelyhood of her nomination withdrawn has grown.
It has grown from 5% last week, to 30% end of last week, to 50% beginning of this week, to 75% last night.
Fund was on the program to comment on his op-ed piece:
How She Slipped Through Harriet Miers's nomination resulted from a failed vetting process.
Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/
That's the problem with many folks such as yourself. You read words that are not written. I wrote: " 'Normal' " people don't have the hubris to walk around pretending to care about the Constitution, then ignore that great document when it suits their purpose.
To which you responded: "Of all the talking points of the pro-Miers crowd, this has got to be the lamest. Where do you imagine that the Constitution is being violated? Please quote the actual section."
You saw the word "violated" when I wrote "ignore."
And again...
I wrote: "The Founders consciously and deliberately left the decision as to any individual nominee's qualifications entirely up to the President of the United States, with the advice and consent of the Senate."
You replied: "And the people aren't supposed to comment on how they exercise these powers? Under what demented theory of constitutional interpretation?" Nowhere did I say that the people cannot comment.
If you're going to debate someone, at least try to do so on the basis of what they actually say.
Unless you consider that the Constitution delegates the sole authority for nominating justices to the President, and the sole process for seating them to the United States Senate through a procedure that involves its cooperation and concurrence.
Now, inasmuch as it does not delegate any place in that process to citizens for pressuring a President to withdraw his/her nominee, then one can assume that if we are "conservatives," and if being conservative means that we wish to abide by the Constitution's provisions (whether we agree with them or not), then, in that sense, it seems that it does prohibit our interfering in the prescribed process, doesn't it?
That does not mean, however, that, as citizens, we have every right to contact our Senators and urge them to vote against the nominee--once the Constitutional process has been followed.
Correct. You simply buy a NEW tube of toothpaste.
It cannot be said that the opposition is a defense of constitutional principle. If it were, true conservatives would be insisting that the prescribed constitutional process be allowed to be followed, and they would allow the prescribed process--which was triggered when the President named his nominee--to include her testimony before the Senate. Then, after hearing her, if they wished, they might urge their Senators to vote against her nomination. That would be defending constitutional principle.
No problem. I understand.
Keep on FReepin' on,
RobFromGa
Me too! :)
I'll be brief, which is hard for me. I don't equate salvation with changing political parties -- I have evangelical democrat buddies, even today. I suppose some have confused her spiritual conversion with her conversion to republican ideals, and others seem to believe she is still a democrat. Some say that being a democrat is itself a crime, especially if you were still one at 48 (like it's ok to be a democrat when you are young and foolish, but if you were old and a democrat there is no hope for you).
I'm not going to argue with people who say she's a democrat. I don't believe they are right, but I don't see the point (actually I'm probably dropping out of the argument again, it's too tiring). Fact is, if she is a strict constructionist, it doesn't matter what her party is except to those who believe only people with mental deficiencies could be democrats. I don't subscribe to that theory, although i wonder sometimes. It is however why we as a nation are so terribly divided.
In a few days I may post why I can't wrap my hands around the possibility of a "good" outcome involving Bush withdrawing the nomination under pressure from his base. But not now.
I respect your idealism. I share your idealism. I am disturbed by this nomination. I very much wish Bush had picked someone who couldn't be hit with this criticism.
But I am a pragmatist, as you said, and I can't figure out a good outcome from Bush caving to the base on this nominee.
This (FR) poll is likely an accurate reflection of the feelings of the active members on this board. That makes it useful to us, but it doesn't tell us what the rest of the world is thinking. I don't put much trust in the non-member part of the polls here.
It might be interesting to re-run this poll now that we are a couple of weeks into the nomination, to see if people have been swayed one way or another....
Brief reply. There is evidence that people outside her law firm knew her, and that those who know her well now all think much more highly of her than the 2nd-hand sources we have.
I should think that senator interviews and a grilling in the committee should be revealing, but many (especially her opponents) do not agree with that assessment. I hate to predict things when we can just wait and actually know, so I won't argue the point, we simply disagree.
I'm not being particularly clever. I take a wait-and-see approach because i don't believe we know. Others are certain of their knowledge, and I'm asking what the basis is for that certainty. Each person can find their own comfort zone, but I'm not alone in wanting facts to make a judgment.
mother-in-law, daughter-in-law -- the point being made was that if you were passed over by an incompetent idiot who was related to the boss, you would be upset.
My point was that Miers is not an incompetent idiot, so the analogy isn't germaine. It's more like trying out for a football team but not being hired because the coach picks the quarterback he's already got because he's more comfortable with him, he's known him for years, he trusts him, even though your stats are better and the coach's pick is 10 years older.
But it all comes down to what you think of Miers. Some here think she is a quarterback, just not a superstar. Others think she couldn't be a waterboy. I think the 2nd group is woefully mistaken, based on the record.
"Not a superstar" might mean we lose the game...
As I expected, I apologize for the harshness of my remarks earlier today. I was particularly hard on one Freeper so I have pinged directly, but there are others out there who no doubt feel I was insensitive or rude, and I apologize to them as well for the personal tone of my remarks.
I'm passionate about this -- and I'm pissed since I'm not a "pro-miers" person, just a "wait-and-see" person, so why do I have to feel all put out. Just seems a rush to judgment and lack of fair play here, it bothers me.
So Sorry one and all. Take care, and God Bless.
I am happy to accept your apology if you have directed it at me. Good night to you and a good weekend as well.
What debate? There's nothing to win other than exchanging derogatory insults or name calling, which adds nothing to the discussions. Howlin (and fortunately only a few others like him/her) don't engage in any substantive debate. They attack, they smear, they insult. They join threads for the purpose of attacking people with inflamatory one liners rather than voicing any intelligent thoughts. Opposing viewpoints are attacked, ridiculed and insulted. That's what Dimwit left-wingers do.
Satisifed that you have no command of the English language, yes.
Yeah, aside from dismantling the Sovient Union, Defeating Saddam, and leading the economy to recovery before it could go into recession, what did he ever do.
I don't answer for her. I have only told you that she is one of FR's best researchers and most knowledgeable posters. She a valued asset to this forum.
Please pose that question to her.
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