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75% Chance Miers Nomination is Withdrawn (John Fund says on John Batchelor Program)
John Batchelor Program - WABC Radio ^

Posted on 10/14/2005 7:23:47 AM PDT by new yorker 77

I was listening to the John Batchelor Program on WABC Radio in New York last night.

He commented on the process that went into nominating Miers and added that the likelyhood of her nomination withdrawn has grown.

It has grown from 5% last week, to 30% end of last week, to 50% beginning of this week, to 75% last night.

Fund was on the program to comment on his op-ed piece:

How She Slipped Through Harriet Miers's nomination resulted from a failed vetting process.

Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnbatchelor; johnfund; miers; scotus; supremecourt; talkradio; woodyallen
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To: faithincowboys
He knows that's it's suicida to put her ont he court and that the people that oppose her are much more passionate than the people that defende her.

Proof?!

401 posted on 10/14/2005 2:32:07 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas

Wow, weird typos in my little excerpted post.

Trust me, the people defending Miers are just mouthing words in a misguided sense of loyalty for the President. The opponents are defending prinicple-- and it's painful to have to oppose the Presidnet, but it's necessary.


402 posted on 10/14/2005 2:37:53 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: new yorker 77

John Fund can stuff it.


403 posted on 10/14/2005 2:43:07 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Wolfstar
The Constitution is SILENT as to judicial qualifications. There are none. Zero. Nada. Demanding this or that qualification is extra-Constitutional. Nominees for the federal bench, including the SCOTUS, don't even have to be lawyers.

And who was claiming otherwise? You were claiming that the Constitution was being violated. How is it being violated by the people instructing their servants on how to proceed?

The Founders consciously and deliberately left the decision as to any individual nominee's qualifications entirely up to the President of the United States, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

And the people aren't supposed to comment on how they exercise these powers? Under what demented theory of constitutional interpretation? In fact, there's a constitutional provision which specifically protects the people's prerogative in that regard. I'm sure you could find it if you looked hard enough.

404 posted on 10/14/2005 2:43:53 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: LibLieSlayer
You need to research her appearance. HBO will rerun it this month I am sure. She said those things and much more. She had the libs howling with laughter, and the louder they howled, the more asinine she became. Do you really think I am a liar?

No, I do not think that. I merely asked you if she said that. No attacks from here. ;-)

I'm just a little sick of that scrawny woman (Coulter) of late, spewing such lame crap about the president and Ms. Miers.

405 posted on 10/14/2005 2:45:03 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Ping to # 374!

Maybe you may have to check the ears.

406 posted on 10/14/2005 2:47:13 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: new yorker 77

Come on. We all know that conservative Christians don't believe in the withdrawl method of court control.


407 posted on 10/14/2005 2:47:18 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: meema
Thanks! I do hope that others (including those who are on the other side of this debate) take the time to read it. I'm happy to debate this reasonably with people, as long as they're willing to meet me on the same terms.
408 posted on 10/14/2005 2:50:19 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: RobFromGa

I don't see the drinking part.


409 posted on 10/14/2005 2:53:38 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: XJarhead
Okie dokie---here we go.

My point is that I don't understand how all these unelected people have some right to vet nominees. And the point of specific examples is to see whether you are talking about vetting her in terms of her legal credentials, or in terms of her political credentials. And I have no clue why people like the three you named should be involved in judicial selections.

Whether you're an elected official or not shouldn't determine IMHO whether you should be consulted on nominees---talk of "rights" is not the issue. There're people involved in electing those elected officials---people representing conservative organizations, conservative opinion---who have worked hard to elect Bush and who have supported him through thick and thin, in the expectation that they would at least be consulted on judicial nominees. Apparently many people think he had a "right" to ride roughshod over those expectations. As for the three people I named, I'm not going to go into their qualifications at length---that's not really the issue either. The point is that the nomination was an unpleasant surprise to much of the conservative community, not simply "elitist" columnists---a surprise that could have been avoided if Bush had more respect for other people's opinions in the community through consulting with more people therein first.

As the Executive VP of the Federalist Society, he's got more knowledge regarding the judiciary than the other three put together. Plus, impeccable conservative credentials without the latent nutbag factor of Keyes or Bauer. Now I'm not saying that the President is required or obligated to consult with him. But the fact that Leo is a fan of hers and consulted with the Administration on these picks makes me more comfortable with the nomination than I might have been otherwise.

Fair enough. But I also read somewhere that Mr. Leo is a consultant to the Bush WH. I'm not saying his opinion isn't honestly given---just that the WH should have reached outside its inner circle.

I do think the tone and content of what many of the conservative critics is wrong. As someone else put it, too many conservatives are trying to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube by fooling themselves into thinking that enough foot-stamping will unravel history. It won't. And arguments like "he should have checked with Alan Keyes...." We've now got all these pundits out there basically offended that Bush didn't clear it with them first, and that strikes me as incredibly self-important.

If its a bad pick, then state the concerns publicly in rational tones. The hissy fit thrown by Coulter and her ilk are not going to make the problem any better. And venting emotionally just because you are upset....well, it looks to be like the kind of thing the NARAL gang does, and I thought we were above that.

As rationally as I can, let me give you the big picture. When the Roberts pick was announced, I was a little concerned, because he was unknown at the time. But I quickly learned what was behind the guy: Havard Law/Law Review, Supreme Court clerkship with Rehnquist, work for the Reagan WH, work for the powerhouse DC firm of Hogan and Hartson, experience as a Federal Appellate judge. Nothing in what came out later about the guy made me feel uneasy about him, and his performance at the hearings was simply magnificent. His swearing-in was a happy, hopeful day for me.

By contrast, when Miers was announced, I was again concerned, and this time the credentials did nothing to allay my concerns. In fact, the admonitions to "trust Bush" and as you call them the hissy fits on the pro-Miers side about "sexism," "elitism," and other classic liberal bullshirt made me more and more concerned. If Bush had kept faith with the base on CFR, on spending, on entitlements, on quotas, on the borders and immigration...a whole laundry list...then "trust Bush" would be a powerful argument. But the fact is, he hasn't and Supreme Court appointments were the one remaining strand that kept conservatives on the bandwagon. I didn't accept Roberts because I "trusted Bush"---I did it because the guy truly was one of the qualified picks out there. Bush has gone back to square one in the trust department with this pick. We don't trust him on this one, and he's not going to get our support on this.

A weakened Bush is going to be forced to nominate even worse people than Miers down the road. And there are some conservatives doing the "I'm finished with the GOP" routine that accomplishes nothing more than helping President Hilary get elected, and making Associate Justice Tribe more likely.

I disagree. Bush can't blackmail me into supporting this pick by threatening to put forward even worse ones if this one doesn't go through. The GOP and the conservative movement is bigger than one official or Presidential Term. It's got to get back to its true principles---not endlessly compromise on them to suit one man's whim or in the fear that otherwise someone worse will come along. That's not "rational" in my opinion.

Thanks again for making the effort to be civil.

410 posted on 10/14/2005 3:21:58 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: inquest

You've been doing a fine job. I hope those on the 'other' side spend some time reading well thought out posts like yours, too.
Most of are friends, and will remain so.


411 posted on 10/14/2005 3:23:20 PM PDT by meema (I am not an elitist, and have been a conservative traditional Republican all my life.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
are we having fun yet

Ooh I may be weary
And us old guys we do get weary
Hearing that same old Bushbot crap
But when we get weary
We gotta try a little tenderness

412 posted on 10/14/2005 3:26:37 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: beyond the sea
It's not there. In her first column after the Miers nomination, she said:

"While Bush was still boozing it up in the early '80s, Ed Meese, Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork and all the founders of the Federalist Society began creating a farm team of massive legal talent on the right."

That is the only comment about drinking that I have seen from Ann. Of course, there are plenty of other things to find offensive in her columns and statements, we don't need to make up stuff.

413 posted on 10/14/2005 3:49:24 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: new yorker 77

DRUGS.


414 posted on 10/14/2005 4:07:19 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Bring the troops home means bring the war home.)
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To: RobFromGa

I saw the video clip on a friends laptop. Call me a liar for stating what I saw? That is uncalled for. You are an ass for using that sort of technique to defend Ann.

LLS


415 posted on 10/14/2005 4:25:10 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: GOPJ
I wish everyone could see how two adults on the same team can disagree without getting personal. I have already been called a liar here on this very thread, and I have had it inferred by another... simply for stating what I saw on a video clip on a friends laptop.

I will always embrace other fellow Conservatives. I have to... I hate libs!

LLS
416 posted on 10/14/2005 4:32:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: RobFromGa
I do not have the clip, but I did just call a fellow that works for me (who also watched it with me). He refreshed my memory as to the particulars. Something was mentioned about the Enquirer story (which supposedly claimed Katrina pushed the President into drinking again). She responded that was ridiculous, but the Miers decision seemed like one made by a drunken lush.

I have no idea of any air date, or whether this segment made it to air, or if this was from the same night.

Attitudes like yours are going to force many (including me) to quit coming here. This wonderful vacation from daily life has become little more than a battleground. If FR is not a place where Conservatives can debate without sliding into the gutter, then we have lost the only place that existed where we could.

LLS
417 posted on 10/14/2005 4:56:20 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Les_Miserables

Your premise about the 17th amendment turning the intended functional behavior on its head may have some credence. However from all of my readings from the debate that raged over this amendment, the corrupt effect on some Senators from certain political machines, as well as Senators outright "buying" of their seats, was substantive in its creation and implementation.

I can find nothing in its creation that would change the Senate's responsibilities in nominations of Federal officers.

Thought provoking post. Thanks!

LLS


418 posted on 10/14/2005 5:17:48 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I am sorry if you are offended, I honestly tried to find the link in question and couldn't find it. It seems that if Ann (whom I have little respect for) had stated that she thought President Bush was a lush, or a drunk then it would have been big news on FR. Except for your comment, I haven't seen anything about it.

So, if you can find a transcript or remember what show, and what night it was, maybe we can locate the clip you are talking about.

It seems to me that "climbing into the gutter" is not what I am doing, I am just trying to make sure that unsubstantiated claims are not passed around without being backed up by some facts.


419 posted on 10/14/2005 5:26:17 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: RobFromGa
I am sorry for the ass comment. I will try to get the info on where my friend got the clip. He knows how much of a Conservative that I am. He has no interest in politics (he is a video head, and may have downloaded it from sites such a bitorrent), but he knows up until recently I truly revered Ann. Sadly, this is no longer the case.

I have a bulletin board in my business that is dedicated to shining the light of truth on RATS! I have even refused to do business with dims that make negative comments about my current events section.

I feel as if this last week was spent doing battle with family members. I am saddened that we have turned on one another over this SC nomination. I fear that we will see and hear many things we have said, used against us in the coming elections.

Again I am sorry for such an inane statement. I love my fellow Freepers, and I must not let the atmosphere of hate pollute my heart.

LLS
420 posted on 10/14/2005 7:01:25 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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