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1 posted on 10/13/2005 7:02:46 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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"How many young women do you know, happily married or the equivalent, who are wilfully refusing to have children now at the risk of running the gauntlet of IVF in five years time?"

I guess Molly Watson would be surprised to hear this answer ..... quite a few.


2 posted on 10/13/2005 7:08:18 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Eurotwit; Campion
we’re only interested in having babies if they are fathered by men we love and who are going to stick around and enjoy bringing the little brutes up.

What a loving attitude. I'm sure she'd be a wonderful mother. (/retch)

(More of this stuff :-)

3 posted on 10/13/2005 7:09:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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The situation: There are many women like this out there.
The problem: Sensible men have no desire to marry a woman like this.
The solution: Modern notions of how a woman should behave need to change. The whole "shrill-as-a-harpy" thing is passe.
5 posted on 10/13/2005 7:11:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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"What can Dr Bewley and co. do to get them ready for fatherhood before their mid-forties?"

How about you try not to be such a needy biatch? You're already laying the ground work to whine about how your career has suffered and how you change more of the diapers. Yeah, sign me right up. NOT.


6 posted on 10/13/2005 7:12:41 AM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border needs to be a MAJOR issue in 2006 and 2008)
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I wondered whether women will be the only losers in this epidemic of delayed pregnancies. Isn’t it possible that, just as I have no interest in a relationship with someone significantly older than me, when the men of my generation get to the dark side of 40 they’ll tire of dating girls who are now revising for their GCSEs?

LOL. Uh, no?

9 posted on 10/13/2005 7:19:41 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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I don't know many men who would want to marry an old, bitter and quite obvious man hating woman...
10 posted on 10/13/2005 7:20:11 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Women...are you willing to submit to your husband? If not, don't get married.

Men.....are you willing to give up your life for your marriage? If not, don't get married.


11 posted on 10/13/2005 7:22:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Must be the moon, but every thread today has me thinking...

"Seperate continents for each gender,
little bridge for visits...

Raise kids together,
kids grow up,
split, and THEN live a happy life!"

Geez,
And people wonder why I think God is sadistic ;)


12 posted on 10/13/2005 7:22:53 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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She didn't mention women being selfish, did she?


16 posted on 10/13/2005 7:28:34 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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Molly and her father were obviously not close. Booo Hooo


18 posted on 10/13/2005 7:29:37 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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In my experience, the root cause of the epidemic lies with a collective failure of nerve among men our age.

And what does she supposes causes that "failure of nerve"? Could it be feminism leads to sexually liberated women leads to men who live in an arrested adolescent stage until their 60's leading to lonely, angry women in their 30's who finally want to commit but can't?

Naah, gotta be something else.

21 posted on 10/13/2005 7:32:26 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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She's right on several points. Too many men are just not interested in getting married today until later in life. Most of us haven't matured enough yet to truly appreciate the job of being husbands and fathers so we wait and pursue more self indulgent pleasures and pursuits. It is better to do it later in life after you have developed some sense of responsibility as well as self.

Modern women don't help themselves by being loose and acting like men with respect to disposable relationships and thinking that they can wait forever.

She's caught between a rock and a hard place. If a woman wants kids she should be looking to procreate with the right sort of man, not a 30 something adolescent. Too many men are still committed to that sort of lifestyle though.


23 posted on 10/13/2005 7:33:52 AM PDT by misterrob
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Every woman I know who is faced with fertility problems didn't "put off having children" for careers or anything else. It wasn't until later in life that they finally married and found someone who wanted to be a father.


24 posted on 10/13/2005 7:34:44 AM PDT by sonserae
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but we are well aware of the dangers of trying to have children once we’re past our reproductive prime

That's what adoption agencies are for. There's plenty of kids out there who need a good home.

25 posted on 10/13/2005 7:35:21 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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As I read the comments, I was amazed at the responses. I don't blame women for not wanting to end up as single mothers because the man in their life is not willing to stick around to be a father to the children! Aren't some of the same people condemning the writer people who also condemn single/divorced mothers? How responsibile is it to have a child knowing there is a low probability that the father will stick around long.

I am watching my own son's generation as they go from relationship to relationship with no thought of long-term commitment. I just saw a study yesterday that said the average age of marriage is increasing - to over 30 in some areas. This is an issue. Women have to focus on their careers if there is no one to provide for them.

Even though I had a "provider", I have stayed current with my career "just in case" - especially since he showed no real interest in the children once we had them. Plus, I enjoyed my career. Fortunately, since I had my own business, I was able to be there to take the kids to school and to pick them up afterwards and be there for them. I am happy with most of the choices I made, but I think I was very lucky.


37 posted on 10/13/2005 7:44:29 AM PDT by Bookwoman
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They’ll still have a fighting chance of producing a few nippers, of course — but will they do it by settling for a much younger companion who falls far short of the intellectually equal but by now hopelessly barren soulmate they went out with in their thirties?

Someone please buy this woman a clue? Please? ;)

40 posted on 10/13/2005 7:46:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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Perhaps if these women would do the quaint, outdated thing of withholding sex until marriage, some of the reluctant males may begin to see the attraction of "commitment."


43 posted on 10/13/2005 7:50:08 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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The problem is these women are always trying to find men their age. That works in High School, but once they are over 20, women should start looking at men 10 to 15 years older. These men will be well established and can support a woman through childbirth and rearing.


46 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:48 AM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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If women would quit opening up their legs to every guy that walked by then they would have much more power in choosing men with quality and family values. Women have the power - the feminazis have lulled them into believing the power is in hooking up with as many men as possible but in the end no man wants to start a family with a women who could care less about who and what has has been there. Women need to quit taking their cues from the videos on MTV where they act like animals in the jungle and start showing some class and restraint. Men will follow


47 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:50 AM PDT by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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Can this woman cook? Just asking ...

Seriously though, maybe if the good doc and all the other woman would stop giving the milk away for free, the men would decide to buy a cow...

54 posted on 10/13/2005 8:06:18 AM PDT by ikka
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