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Broad Federal Effort Urgently Needed to Create High-Quality Jobs
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Posted on 10/13/2005 2:18:30 AM PDT by Arjun

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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

NCLB militates against increased performance in practice because of its wrongheaded assumption that all children can be high acheivers.

I see it leading to even greater disruption in the classroom as the frustration level of those who must struggle just to maintain minimum passing grades will lash out at the closest targets of their perceived source of discomfort, the teachers and the innately apt.

All successful societies are stratified by nature and those that aren't don't remain successful.

The U.S. could be a world leader in life-extension science but might find itself in the curious position of leading the world in suicide, domestic violence and park-bench philosophy.

Gee Whiz technology gets us worthless devices made simply for mass entertainment as well as mass spectrometers designed to analyze the purity of the very air we seem to be determined to waste in simple pursuits.

What we really need is a new world, hostile and wild, one worth the taming.


41 posted on 10/13/2005 8:14:18 AM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: redgolum
But that same entrepreneurial skill is being stifled at every turn.

This is definitely a cause for concern. Historically, as a country, we have idolized the entrepreneurial spirit and have encouraged risk taking while not fearing failure. The successful entrepreneur is an American hero who has always been richly rewarded.

I can't think of another country that has developed this as a defining element of their culture. My concern is that government could negatively impact this process by increasing regulation and taxation. At some point, our elected representatives are going to have to enact serious tort reform. The proliferation of frivolous lawsuits will most certainly stifle risk taking.

We are still the world leader in almost every area of technology. The direct impetus for technological innovation and progress is (and has always been) the entrepreneurial search for profits and a competitive economy.

42 posted on 10/13/2005 8:22:47 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Alberta's Child
"This country isn't losing its ability to compete with India and China because our education system is poor. It's because our education system is poor but we pay a lot of freakin' money for it."

I believe this to be true.

Universal education funded by taxation and administrated by government has not delivered on even one of the promises made by it's early proponents. Heavens, it was going to stop crime and make us all law abiding, for Heaven's sake. End poverty. Stop body odor. ;-)

One could say that ending the "Public School" system is desirable, but I would disagree. Some form of indoctrination is necessary for the "masses". Perhaps television and other "entertainment" can fulfill this function eventually.
43 posted on 10/13/2005 8:26:50 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

schools need to revert back to how they were in the 50's.

discipline, uniforms, consequenses for non performance and
misbehavior, corporal punishment, homework.

the nation needs to reject the model of schools as extensions of the public square. deleterious influences
should be excluded from schools, and we need to appoint
judges who realize this.


44 posted on 10/13/2005 8:29:53 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Leatherneck_MT
We DO need a broader Federal Effort!!   The Feds need to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!

You can say that again-- maybe next time with < b> < font size="4"> tags. 

Libs like to whine about how we need more federal money poured into a supposedly failing US education system.  They're telling the truth that they want our tax money, they're just lying when they say they think a US education is bad. 

Sure, there's lots of conservatives who say US schools are bad and don't believe it too --Rush is a good example of a bad example-- but whether it's either double-think, hypocrisy, or flat out lying, IMHO it's stupid.

45 posted on 10/13/2005 8:56:27 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Exton1; A. Pole; Willie Green

Lawsuit-happy trial lawyers are only part of the problem. Other problems are the public schools (students at expensive private acedemies do very well in such tests) and corporate America's culture of greed and entitlement. Like it or not, the business community is part of the problem.


46 posted on 10/13/2005 9:17:46 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: doc30

>>It also doesn't help that there aren't many good science teachers in the K-12 schools.

The work rules requiring education degrees / certificates in order to teach really hamstrings the hiring of technically qualified people. People with math, science and engineering undergrad backgrounds should be able to go straight to a classroom to teach, with maybe a 6-week teacher training class. Getting the "Bulletin Boards 202"-type classes from an Education undergrad program is not necessary, but is now the sort of thing that is required in most states in order to teach K-12 in the gubmint skools.


47 posted on 10/13/2005 9:19:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: rahbert

>>schools need to revert back to how they were in the 50's. <<

No, the public school monoply must be replaced with freedom of choice through vouchers.


48 posted on 10/13/2005 9:29:58 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Clintonfatigued
Like it or not, the business community is part of the problem.

Correction: the "transnational" business community is part of the problem.

A House Divided: Manufacturing In Crisis

49 posted on 10/13/2005 9:33:19 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: durasell
The cost differential between American and foreign engineers (like manufacturing) is simply too great.

Sadly, to restore America to greatness it may take China to invade Taiwan so war breaks out. Overnight the Walmart imports stop, offshoring and H1-B visas stop, social spending growth stops, manufacturing takes off, real education is needed, serious investment in technology such as robotic weapon systems starts, everyone becomes focused on one objective. After the war, there is so much robotics technology that many people find new high paying jobs building and taking care of robots, and cheap third world labor becomes irrelevant.

It's too bad this can't happen without war to focus us. I wish there was a way to induce this behavior without war.

50 posted on 10/13/2005 9:51:17 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses

Victoria's Secret recently developed as machine that produces a bra out of a single piece of material. And, as any high school boy can tell you, a bra is a very complicated piece of clothing.

If this type of development keeps up, then it may bring some manufacturing back to the u.s. though how much, I couldn't say.

For the most part, we ain't seeing these jobs coming back. We're now in an "all or nothing" mode. The days of a "nice" job with security are over.


51 posted on 10/13/2005 10:01:28 AM PDT by durasell
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To: Lunatic Fringe

So until equilibrium is reached what would you propose to do?


52 posted on 10/13/2005 10:15:42 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: theBuckwheat

Where did I say all schools need be public?
I attended a private school in the 50's.


53 posted on 10/13/2005 10:32:17 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Willie Green
WTF do we need to be spending money on Internet Access, for crying out loud? We ALREADY HAVE the most widespread internet access on the face of the friggin planet

One correction, Willie. For example Korea has much more advanced Internet access, thanx to goverment policies.

54 posted on 10/13/2005 10:32:33 AM PDT by A. Pole (Captain Mandrake: "Condition Red, sir, yes, jolly good idea. That keeps the men on their toes.")
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To: Arjun
Every person on the Committee that produced this report represents organizations that stand to profit from the increased tax spending that the report recommends. Take tax money from individuals. Give tax money to academia so they can train future corporate employees at taxpayer expense. What a surprise. More gravy train to sustain the educational/corporate community elite.

What makes these committee members think they can engage in economic planning any better than the Soviets could?

55 posted on 10/13/2005 10:40:29 AM PDT by Tares
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To: A. Pole
One correction, Willie. For example Korea has much more advanced Internet access, thanx to goverment policies.

South Korea has 48 million people crammed into an area that's about the size of Indiana.
With a population density that concentrated, it's pretty easy to provide "widespread" internet infrastructure.

56 posted on 10/13/2005 10:48:24 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

"I read recently where Microsoft stated that Indian Engineers were good at structure, but were unimaginative, and were not able to "think outside of the box". For this reason, most of their real R&D is still located in Redmund. "
And in redmond a third of their employees is Indian. So the "Indians cant think outside the box" argument doesnt hold water. Plus most of the jobs created in the US economy dont need genius level folks anyway. They are fairly pedestrian jobs.


57 posted on 10/13/2005 10:52:44 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: doc30
A big problem is that too many American kids go into the liberal arts and wind up getting useless degrees like Black Lesbian Studies.

When you have to compete with Third World wages, the engineering degree might be as valuable as Black Lesbian Studies.

58 posted on 10/13/2005 10:57:59 AM PDT by A. Pole (Captain Mandrake: "Condition Red, sir, yes, jolly good idea. That keeps the men on their toes.")
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To: Reeses

Stopping h1b visas will not accomplish anything. The wage differential will still prevail. In my company they have stopped hiring h1bs several years ago and now they are simply moving the work to India. They have not hired anyone all of last year.


59 posted on 10/13/2005 10:58:39 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: A. Pole

The only way for the wage differential to reduce is the decline in the US dollar. Let the asian currencies appreciate 30% and then the whole outsourcing logic comes to a standstill. The dollar needs to depreciate fast even if that means some inflation. Alan greenspan isnt getting it though.


60 posted on 10/13/2005 11:05:48 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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