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We was robbed!! Sox 2 Angels 1
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Posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:45 PM PDT by navysealdad

Game 2 of the ACLS left Chicago celebrating a 2-1 victory. Controversial strikeout didn't end the ninth..

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KEYWORDS: blind; mlb; sports; whitesox
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To: tallhappy

tallhappy you're clueless and obviously don't have a clue about how baseball is played.

Every coach I know teaches their kids to run to first after every strike three pitch.

And you know what, sometimes it takes a half second to stick in your head to run to first.

I've had kids do exactly the same thing. They react to the strike three, (which was called), and then realize the ball hit the ground and run to first.

And I've had catchers throw the ball to the third baseman, or the pitcher and the ump has not called out yet.

Black sox my eye. The Angels catcher made a HUGE MISTAKE, and he screwed up by not listening to the call. he never called him out.

Case closed, go WHINE somewhere else....


161 posted on 10/12/2005 9:12:07 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: navysealdad


You were robbed? What about my Braves?


162 posted on 10/12/2005 9:12:23 PM PDT by msnimje (What in Bork's name was Bush thinking?............................Captain Ed..9 Oct 2005)
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To: Sonar5

Pathetic...I dont remember the last time the Angels played an inning to 4 outs.

The guy called three outs.


163 posted on 10/12/2005 9:12:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Well, a third strike, right on the ground, in the 9th, 2 outs, in the playoffs, with the game on the line, yes, that is what to do. Letter high in the 5th in June is another matter, perhaps.


164 posted on 10/12/2005 9:13:19 PM PDT by giobruno
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To: Al Simmons
If you look at the close-up replay from in front, you can clearly see that the BALL BOUNCES UP INTO THE MITT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER IT GOES INTO THE SHADOW MADE BY THE MITT BUT BEFORE IT HITS THE MITT.

Look again - the ball is hitting the tip of the mitt (on the top) and then rolling up into the webbing, just like a catcher's mitt is designed to do. The ball did not touch the dirt.

165 posted on 10/12/2005 9:14:14 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Al Simmons
EXACTLY. If you zoom in on the glove, and then run the play back and forth without stopping, the angle of the ball BOUNCING UP into the mitt is clear as day

Your mind is bouncing, LOL. We are reading what all the sports critics are saying now, and nearly all agree, the damn ball was obviously caught.

The umpire was the game!

166 posted on 10/12/2005 9:14:59 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: adamsjas
There's no crying in baseball.

HA!

167 posted on 10/12/2005 9:15:14 PM PDT by bobbyd (Damn, I've been tagged.....)
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To: Sonar5
The Angels catcher made a HUGE MISTAKE,

That is true, regardless.

he never called him out

That is not true - the ump totally rung him up - twice even!

168 posted on 10/12/2005 9:15:39 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: mrexitement
Umps can change calls if they feel they made the incorrect one. Eg. Foul home runs, tag applied and ball is knocked out, ball dropped after outfield catch before transfer of ball to throwing hand etc...

It happens all the time.


Not like THIS. This was weird. I saw strike, I saw him do something like point to first, and then finally I saw a raised fist, which MOST people would (and apparently DID) interpret as OUT. That's the last signal I saw of any sort before I saw the runner stop going to the dugout and start hightailing it to first. I don't dispute that an umpire can change his call - but this time, it looked more like the player 'forced' him to 'reintepret' his original call.
169 posted on 10/12/2005 9:16:39 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: Al Simmons

Chicago was always corrupt.


170 posted on 10/12/2005 9:17:22 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: beezdotcom

Just another reason to run out the play, in my book. What we don't know is what was said on the field. If I'm the batter and I don't hear the umpire call me out, you bet I'm hightailing it to first base and I'm waiting for someone to call me out.

The rules say the batter has the option to run to first base until he actually reaches the dugout steps on his way back to the bench. So Pierzynski was absolutely within his rights to run.

I was addressing the issue of cheating that some people have brought up. The quality of the umpire's call is something else again. The Angels could have prevented any controversy by simply finishing the play.

And BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm a Twins fan so I certainly have no love for the White Sox.


171 posted on 10/12/2005 9:17:36 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("One might even go so far as to say ... he's mediocre." - Daffy Duck)
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To: navysealdad
it was a tough call to make from the umps position but either way the call can't be reversed and the play must be made
172 posted on 10/12/2005 9:18:44 PM PDT by vigilante2 (I'm part of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: beezdotcom
Yes, but adding to the confusion is the NEXT call - after pointing to first, he raised his fist. Soem folks are saying that's the strike call, but it sure looks like OUT to most folks.

But Paul has already rolled the ball back to the mound before the ump made the fist motion. I am rooting for the Sox, but the Ump made the wrong call. However, the Angels made the mistake of not finishing the play.

173 posted on 10/12/2005 9:18:46 PM PDT by sharkhawk (Play me a dirge matey)
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To: hole_n_one

same mechanics... but he waited until after the tag was applied...


174 posted on 10/12/2005 9:19:51 PM PDT by VA is for Freepers
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Who's the genius that decided a signal for a strike would be virtually indentical to that of an out?

Thanks for the info !

175 posted on 10/12/2005 9:20:49 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: BurbankKarl

Oh so now it's about the umpires and not the White Sox....

You guys want it both ways, you try to blame the WHite Sox when it was the Umpire calls and drag out ignorant comments about the black sox.

In this situation, any baseball purist or person with half a brain would realize the White Sox player is the only one without any blame here.

NOT HEARING THE WORD OUT, and after strike three being called, he runs to first base knowing it was possibly a dropped third strike.

Blame the umpires all you want and present evidence, but you can't possibly blame the white sox for this.

SOme here need to grow up and realize there was still baseball to be played.

You also need to acknowledge the other mistakes the Angels made in that inning CAUSING their loss.

1) Ball kept in catchers glove on stolen 2nd base.
2) bad pitch selection on 0-2 count to Crede that he rocked to the corner for the game winning RBI.

Face it, The Angles Lost this.

Bring on Game Three.


176 posted on 10/12/2005 9:20:49 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: sharkhawk

The Ump is clearly a Judical Activist.


177 posted on 10/12/2005 9:21:32 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (When Frist exercises his belated Constitutional "Byrd option", Reid will have a "Nuclear Reaction".)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Even the Chicago Tribune's poll says the umpires blew it.


178 posted on 10/12/2005 9:22:04 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Lancey Howard
The thing is, the batter reacted and the Angels watched him run all the way to first base without reacting at all. Very puzzling.

Not really. After the third out is made and called the players all leave the field.

The batter in this play himself had done it. He started to his dugout the other way.

The whole thing in ludicrous. He would be out for running outside the base line if this really were a dropped third strike.

179 posted on 10/12/2005 9:23:08 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Sonar5


Due to a bad call.

>>>Face it, The Angles Lost this.


180 posted on 10/12/2005 9:23:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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