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al-Qaida No. 2: U.S. 'Ran' From Vietnam
AP ^ | October 12, 2005 | KATHERINE SHRADER

Posted on 10/12/2005 8:43:46 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

In a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader said the United States "ran and left their agents" in Vietnam and the jihadists must have a plan ready to fill the void if the Americans suddenly leave Iraq.

"Things may develop faster than we imagine," Ayman al-Zawahri wrote in a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. "The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam — and how they ran and left their agents — is noteworthy. ... We must be ready starting now."

Senior U.S. military commanders have said that Iraqi security forces are improving significantly and some U.S. forces could return home early next year. Yet skeptics have raised concerns about whether such statements simply let the insurgency know how long they must wait for the U.S. to leave.

In a letter taking up 13 typed pages in its English translation, al-Zawahri also recommended a four-stage expansion of the war that would take the fighting to neighboring Muslim countries.

"It has always been my belief that the victory of Islam will never take place until a Muslim state is established ... in the heart of the Islamic world," al-Zawahri wrote.

The letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge "any new Islamic entity."

The letter is dated July 9, and was acquired during U.S. operations in Iraq. It was written in Arabic and translated by the U.S. government. The Pentagon briefed reporters last week on portions of the document, but the full text was not available until Tuesday.

In a statement, the National Intelligence Director's office said the letter "has not been edited in any way" and its contents were released only after it was clear no military or intelligence operations would be compromised.

House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., said his committee is reviewing the letter, but he cautioned "against reading too much into a single source of intelligence."

In his letter, al-Zawahri, a Sunni, devoted significant attention to al-Zarqawi's attempts to start a civil war with the rival Muslim Shiite sect, the majority that now dominates the new Iraqi government. Ultimately, al-Zawahri concluded that violence, particularly against Shiite mosques, only raises questions among Muslims.

"This matter won't be acceptable to the Muslim populace however much you have tried to explain it, and aversion to this will continue," he wrote.

Al-Zawahri was also critical of the Taliban, which was toppled in the 2001 U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan, because, he said, they did not have the representation of the Afghan people. He said students of the Taliban retreated to their tribes.

"Even the devout ones took the stance of spectator," al-Zawahri wrote.

Contrasting that, he saw fearlessness in battles waged in the Iraqi cities of Fallujah, Ramadi and Al Qaim.

At times, the letter got personal. Al-Zawahri said he tasted the bitterness of America's brutality, noting that his "favorite wife's chest was crushed by a concrete ceiling" during an apparent U.S. attack. His daughter died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

To this day, he wrote, he did not know the location of their graves.

The letter then switches to the court of public opinion.

"More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," he wrote. "We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," or community of Muslims, he wrote.

The line is an apparent reference to a phrase — "hearts and minds" — often used by President Bush.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraq; multiduplicate; terrorism; thankjanefonda; thankskerry; vietnam; war; zarqawi; zawahri
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1 posted on 10/12/2005 8:43:53 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Ha!!! Only in Al Queada's wet dreams.


2 posted on 10/12/2005 8:45:37 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats = The Excrement of America)
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To: West Coast Conservative

There's a lesson to be learned here...


3 posted on 10/12/2005 8:46:39 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: DarthVader

Not really. If the dems get the power in congress or the WH, then they pull the troops out like Nam and Iraq falls. That simple. They know we turned tail and left the South Vietnamees holding the bag, with no support, and no chance. They are simply waiting for the American public to cave and demand the troops pull out. They are fully supportive of the anti-American, anti-war bunch.


4 posted on 10/12/2005 8:49:27 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

5 posted on 10/12/2005 8:49:44 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: West Coast Conservative
al-Qaida's No. 2 leader said the United States "ran and left their agents" in Vietnam

This is unfortunately true. It proves several points that we have argued for decades. The people behind the anti-war movement are directly responsible for every single death since 9/11.

There is enormous amounts of blood on the hands of the American left. Hopefully there is a special reward in hell for opportunists, cowards, and traitors like Hillary, Billy, Chuckie, Johnnie and the rest of the gang.

6 posted on 10/12/2005 8:51:03 AM PDT by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: West Coast Conservative
First, his observation about Vietnam is absolutely correct. We actually won and then let the South Vietnamese be slaughtered. We being the liberals/ democrats/spineless republicans. I hope nobody thinks we can actually do things like that with no one noticing. We betrayed our allies. It must never happen again.

Second, I guess the book is closed on the importance of Iraq and Al Queda's plans for it. IMHO we must install friendly regimes in Iran and Syria as well.

7 posted on 10/12/2005 8:53:35 AM PDT by Williams
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To: RetiredArmy

Not entirely true.

We are turning over power to the Iraqi people. However, like Nam, the terrorist know that we will not send in anymore troops for a big finish. They know that we have maxed out our troop level at about 145k.

At this point either good or bad we have to depend on the Iraqi people to liberate themselves.


8 posted on 10/12/2005 8:54:23 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: West Coast Conservative
""It has always been my belief that the victory of Islam will never take place until a Muslim state is established ... in the heart of the Islamic world," al-Zawahri wrote.

Gee, I thought Iran was just such a "Muslim state"?? You mean Al-Queada has a DIFFERENT type of "Muslim state" in mind??

9 posted on 10/12/2005 8:55:52 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: RetiredArmy
They know we turned tail and left the South Vietnamese holding the bag, with no support, and no chance.

Sad but true. The US was trying to fight a "police action" using rules of engagement that negated our military advantage. We were never intended to win that war, our political goal was to fight to a stalemate and the North Vietnamese wanted to fight a war of attrition.

The end result was the loss of thousands of good men and an embarrassment. I hope that we never get in a situation like that again. If we commit to a war, we should be committed to winning.

10 posted on 10/12/2005 8:56:34 AM PDT by mbynack
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To: West Coast Conservative

Here is the proof that Al Queda and the American left pines for the days of Vietnamm.


11 posted on 10/12/2005 9:10:05 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Not only that, they pine for the destruction of America and the west in general. Sick SOBs that they are.


12 posted on 10/12/2005 9:21:48 AM PDT by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Isn't that the war that JFK and LBJ got us involved in to begin with and then Nixon took ALL of the heat.


13 posted on 10/12/2005 9:40:05 AM PDT by FishFace222 (Democratic party--the party of dead people and felons.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

i read the entire letter (available in pdf from the Foxnews website.

Aside from the ramblings of a madman, intersprinkled with "God willing" statements every other line, there was one thing we *may* have in common.

He/they think the media is a bunch of lying, deceitful infidels, sreading rumor and creating dissent.

Too bad about his family (sarc)I hope a mountain fell and crushed his cave dring the earthquake


14 posted on 10/12/2005 9:45:46 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: FishFace222
Isn't that the war that JFK and LBJ got us involved in to begin with and then Nixon took ALL of the heat.

That's per usual Republican-bashing, double in Nixon's case. But I don't believe in passing the buck to JFK/LBJ. There was a consensus that we needed to do it. Those reasons were valid and supported by American determination to halt/defeat Communism. The mistakes and sell-outs came later.

15 posted on 10/12/2005 9:51:12 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: West Coast Conservative

But, but, but... I thought that if we pulled our troops out of Iraq then the insurgents wouldn't have anybody to fight anymore, and then everybody would be happy and live in peace and harmony, and sing kumbaya and hold hands and stuff...

/sarc


16 posted on 10/12/2005 9:57:28 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
the United States "ran and left their agents" in Vietnam

Yes we did. With democrats like Walter Kronkite, Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry in the lead, preventing us from even sending money and materiel to the South Vietnamese.

These democrats have the blood of 100,000 Vietnamese who died trying to escape, another 100,000 in "re-education" camps, and eventually up to 2 million who died in Cambodia.

How we even allow them to speak in public I'll never know.

17 posted on 10/12/2005 10:42:30 AM PDT by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Skeeve14

It is a FACT we turned and ran from Vietnam. We might be "turning over power" to the people of Iraq, but that is not completely a DONE DEAL yet. IF we pull out, that country will go down like a house of cards. The stinking socialist democrats will not leave the troops there if they are in power. Their liberal/leftist/socialist/communist/homosexual backers will demand the withdrawal immediately upon the oath of office being taken.


18 posted on 10/12/2005 10:51:52 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
My understanding is (anyone please correct as necessary) al Qaeda is essentially a Sunni organization. They cooperate with Shi'ites (most of the people in Iran) as a matter of convenience but ... from a religious perspective the Sunni's consider the Shi'ites heretics. So for al Qaeda a "Muslim" state means one run by the Sunni's (Arabs and others nearby).

I had a Persian (Iranian) friend years ago during the Iran / Iraq war. He advised me that "we have been fighting them for a thousand years" in reference to the Arab Iraqi's. If the "Muslims" ever were to establish a global caliphate it would not be long before civil war broke out between the Sunni and Shi'ite over just who should be running the show and just who carries the true torch of Islam.

The "war on terror" will out live us all.
19 posted on 10/12/2005 10:52:49 AM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Which "number 2" is talking here. There have been so many I lose track.


20 posted on 10/12/2005 11:01:37 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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