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Very much worth reading the balance of the article ...
1 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:39 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: ancient_geezer; Principled; kevkrom; phil_will1; rwrcpa1; groanup; Bigun; Taxman; Kellis91789; ...

Neal's just not going to go quietly - which is just fine.

We shouldn't either - how about hiting on you Reps and Sens no matter what their views are? Now's the time to do it.


2 posted on 10/12/2005 8:45:07 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

Time to up the ante.


3 posted on 10/12/2005 8:51:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Put Principle Before Party. Support Minuteman Jim Gilchrist. www.JimGilchrist.com)
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To: pigdog

I keep reminding everyone I know.....it is YOUR money not the governments and we threw tea in the harbor over much less.


4 posted on 10/12/2005 8:51:48 AM PDT by sheana
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To: pigdog
We've been snookered again.

Time for a 2nd American Revolution.

5 posted on 10/12/2005 8:53:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: pigdog

I'm gathering up my pitchfork and torch . . .


6 posted on 10/12/2005 8:53:55 AM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - A consumption tax which replaces the income tax, SS tax, death tax, etc.)
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To: Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Zon; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.

If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

 

Now we're starting to get an indication of what the tax reform commission is going to recommend. It's very simple. Tax increases, not tax reform.

 

As the old saw goes, "If you want it done right" , don't turn it over to a commission.

Time to roll out the grassroots.

And do it right:

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.

H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


7 posted on 10/12/2005 8:54:03 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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Neal's arguments are incoherent. He bemoans that the commission recommends that home interest rate deduction caps are lowered. Ditto for medical insurance premium deductions for employers. He calls the reduction of these deductions a tax increase. (It is unclear as to whether these are tax increases without knowing if the marginal tax rate is lowered at the same time.)

But the so-called "Fair Tax" eliminated any preferential treatment for home loan interest and medical insurance premiums altogether.

If the reduction of preferential treatment is, in Boortz's words, a tax increase. What is the elimination of these preferential treatments? It must be a tax increase magnitudes of order greater than the commission recommends. But that is precisely what the so-called "Fair Tax" does. So Boortz is decrying the recommendations of the commission as a tax increase while simultaneously advocating even a higher tax increase.

When it comes to tax policy, though, Boortz is often incoherent.

8 posted on 10/12/2005 8:58:39 AM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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From the Pacific clear to the Atlantic
Butchers, bakers and even mechanics
Are demanding reform
A political storm
While politicians move chairs on Titantic!


9 posted on 10/12/2005 8:59:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Put Principle Before Party. Support Minuteman Jim Gilchrist. www.JimGilchrist.com)
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And everybody thought I was being too pessimistic by saying, the commission would DO NOTHING that mattered.

Too bad I was right.


18 posted on 10/12/2005 9:16:15 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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I had much higher expectations from this commission. Now I'm going outside to see what color the sky is in the world that I'm been living in.


19 posted on 10/12/2005 9:16:40 AM PDT by doggieboy (Bush's exit strategy for Iraq is through Iran.)
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Boortz just mention the Tax Committees Comments page. Click here...

Do it later though. "Service Unavailable" since he mentioned it. They must be getting slammed right now.

31 posted on 10/12/2005 9:53:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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The Tax Reform Commission is rejecting an NRST based on the estimates of one carefully-chosen economist who is willing to stipulate that such a national sales tax would have to be in the 60-80% range. This is totally fraudulent, of course.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Find all 33 ways to listen to BOORtz over the web --
including evenings and weekends -- HERE:
http://FreedomKeys.com/boortzcast.htm

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47 posted on 10/12/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by FreeKeys (RUDY IS FOR GUN CONTROL. CONDI IS FOR GUN RIGHTS. "I'm a Second Amendment nut!" -- Condoleezza Rice)
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To: pigdog

With all the spending goin on a tax increase of looming.. else how can it be paid for.. maybe Bush is waiting for Hillary to do it 2008/9 while blaming the republicans for it.. or he will sign on to a tax increase JUST before the election to ensure Hillarys victory.. which means he will be blamed not congress who passed the increase..


53 posted on 10/12/2005 1:46:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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TAX REFORM COMMISSION? YEAH ... RIGHT.

First step, abandon the Party that abandoned us.

Gridlock works.
55 posted on 10/12/2005 2:27:20 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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I read this on National Review.

It is very, very, very, very bad news, much worse than nonsense about Miers.

It is also surprising since some of the people on there would have surely supported real reform, yet they actually aren't.

Disturbing.

Anybody who thinks that Bush will reject the recommendations are out of their minds.

He made a commission because he will DO WHAT THEY SAY. He always does. He doesn't ignore it when he gets advice from a panel.

He will not come up with any of his own proposals, nor will he go beyond the recommendations and do any fundamental tax reform.

It is now officially DEAD.

No flat tax.
No NRST.

As of October 12, 2005, tax reform is dead and over.


57 posted on 10/12/2005 2:50:24 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: pigdog

I heard about this commission today and I about went through the roof when I heard some of the things they were considering. Are the Fair Tax and Flat Tax reforms on the table at all?


64 posted on 10/12/2005 3:30:15 PM PDT by Purrcival (Hang tough, FReepers! Everything will work out just fine.)
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To: pigdog

You can fool some of the people some of the time...


71 posted on 10/12/2005 5:43:38 PM PDT by Man50D
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To: pigdog
incremental reforms

Moronic oxymoron.

117 posted on 10/14/2005 6:50:43 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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For all the fuss conservatives are making about 1 judge nomination, I am stunned that there has been almost no reaction to the leaks coming out of this commission. Why can't we get conservatives to mobilize on this tax issue and get something great done that will rocket our economy forward for the next 50 years? Conservatives are nuts to think that getting their pick to the court will make a bit of difference. It's not like that will bring us back to constitutionally limited government any time soon. I'm all for getting good judges on the court, but to use Roe v. Wade as an example, the best outcome would be to overturn it, which will leave it to the states, most of which will still allow abortion. Compare that to the economic freedom something like the fair tax would bring us. That would bring about a more meaningful shift in power to the people that the court could give us in decades of decisions. I think that is where our conservative leaders fail us; they are not against government control, they just want to be the ones to weild it, making them only marginally better than the liberals. Support the fair tax, give the power to the people!


127 posted on 10/14/2005 7:45:53 AM PDT by JTHomes
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