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The truth is that anyone who’s being intellectually honest will admit that science can never be divorced from religion, that a person’s philosophical outlook will always affect how he or she interprets nature’s phenomena. Honest people will also admit that Darwinism supports a definite philosophy about nature, one that is hostile to theistic faith held by many Americans.

Ridiculous.

Well, I guess if you were willing to say that the godless, materialistic theory of astronomy - which says that angels do not push the planets around - is also "hostile to theistic faith", then adding evolution to that category is no big stretch.

So, gobucks, do you think that the mainstream (materialistic) theory of planetary orbits is hostile to your theistic faith? Why or why not?

Well, I guess if you were willing to say that the godless, materialistic theory of astronomy - which says that angels do not push the planets around...

Personally, I think the theory that angels push the planets around in their orbits is wrong. I've developed the theory that angels warp the fabric of spacetime around massive objects, causing them to follow non-euclidean geometric paths. Most recently, I've been working on a theory that quantizes angelic energy into discrete packets. Want to sign up?

"So, gobucks, do you think that the mainstream (materialistic) theory of planetary orbits is hostile to your theistic faith? Why or why not?" Well, it all depends on gravity, yes? The facts are pretty straight forward about gravity, unless I'm mistaken. Here, Earth's is 9.8m/s2 as I recall. We know that gravity can hurt you pretty bad if you are falling unprotected over a relatively short distance. But, jennyp, (can I call you jenny?) Gravity is not so clear after all. When scientists really roll up their sleeves to describe just what 'gravity' really is, they find, ahem, they can't really explain it. They can explain the effects of gravity pretty nifty, including the motion of planets. Nova spends a lot of money showing nifty graphics regarding how good they are at this stuff ... usually on Sunday nights I've noticed. But they are having a terrible time with describing how the force itself functions, where it comes from, and oh yes, one other small detail ... how it interacts w/ the strong and weak nuclear force and electromagnetic force. That small detail has led to sillystring theory!! What is the latest 'acceptable' version, M I think? And we need how many dimensions to make the math 'plausible' ... what, its up to ELEVEN DIMENSIONS now, yes? Now, just how many out of Eleven do we have rock hard evidence for? Anyone? Anyone? What lab recently announced proof of the 7th? Oh. I'm sorry. We've been told to 'trust' scientists to 'eventually' discover all this and unravel all this, and that we can put our faith in their motives and intelligence. You asked do I think it is hostile? Why, after the 6th dimension, I am beginning to wonder if they drink the same beer at the same pub the evos do.... They get good and drunk, peer at the beery bubbles and discuss the quantum behavior of fermentation effects which appear before their starry eyes, and the evo goes, 'eureka'!! for quantum jumps are sort of like ... puncuated jumps ... don't you agree? Maybe it was the astro folks who put the evo folks up to their shenanigans. Maybe not. Is astronomy hostile to thiests? No, I suppose not.... they had a guy on PBS who was praying while is Andes Mt. instrament was being worked on; it was measuring fine detail COBE stuff as I recall. It got working after his prayer. They didn't show the part where he thanked God for answering his prayer. But I am sure he did. They say that once people actually, sincerely, thank God for ANYTHING, that it is at that point, and no other that they become teachable. Did you know that those who never say 'thank you' to GOD for anything are also the most unteachable people on earth?

"So, gobucks, do you think that the mainstream (materialistic) theory of planetary orbits is hostile to your theistic faith? Why or why not?"

Well, it all depends on gravity, yes? The facts are pretty straight forward about gravity, unless I'm mistaken. Here, Earth's is 9.8m/s2 as I recall.

We know that gravity can hurt you pretty bad if you are falling unprotected over a relatively short distance.

But, jennyp, (can I call you jenny?) Gravity is not so clear after all. When scientists really roll up their sleeves to describe just what 'gravity' really is, they find, ahem, they can't really explain it.

They can explain the effects of gravity pretty nifty, including the motion of planets. Nova spends a lot of money showing nifty graphics regarding how good they are at this stuff ... usually on Sunday nights I've noticed.

But they are having a terrible time with describing how the force itself functions, where it comes from, and oh yes, one other small detail ... how it interacts w/ the strong and weak nuclear force and electromagnetic force.

That small detail has led to sillystring theory!! What is the latest 'acceptable' version, M I think? And we need how many dimensions to make the math 'plausible' ... what, its up to ELEVEN DIMENSIONS now, yes?

Now, just how many out of Eleven do we have rock hard evidence for? Anyone? Anyone? What lab recently announced proof of the 7th? Oh. I'm sorry. We've been told to 'trust' scientists to 'eventually' discover all this and unravel all this, and that we can put our faith in their motives and intelligence.

You asked do I think it is hostile?

Why, after the 6th dimension, I am beginning to wonder if they drink the same beer at the same pub the evos do....

They get good and drunk, peer at the beery bubbles and discuss the quantum behavior of fermentation effects which appear before their starry eyes, and the evo goes, 'eureka'!! for quantum jumps are sort of like ... puncuated jumps ... don't you agree?

Maybe it was the astro folks who put the evo folks up to their shenanigans. Maybe not.

Is astronomy hostile to thiests? No, I suppose not.... they had a guy on PBS who was praying while is Andes Mt. instrament was being worked on; it was measuring fine detail COBE stuff as I recall. It got working after his prayer.

They didn't show the part where he thanked God for answering his prayer. But I am sure he did. They say that once people actually, sincerely, thank God for ANYTHING, that it is at that point, and no other that they become teachable.

Did you know that those who never say 'thank you' to GOD for anything are also the most unteachable people on earth?