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FBI Denies University Bomber Tied to Terrorism ('At this time' qualifier used again)
CNS News ^ | 10/11/05 | Nathan Burchfiel

Posted on 10/11/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

(CNSNews.com) - The head of the FBI investigation of a suicide bombing at an Oklahoma University football game said the investigation has yielded no information tying the bomber to terrorist activities, in spite of Internet reports to the contrary.

Oklahoma University police requested FBI assistance in the investigation due to the nature of the Oct. 1 bombing outside Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, which killed the bomber, student Joel Henry Hinrichs III, but apparently injured no one else.

In the week since the bombing, Internet reports have suggested that Hinrichs, a 21-year old engineering major, had ties to terrorism, including visiting the same Norman, Okla., mosque that Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker" in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S., attended. Moussaoui never boarded the planes. Instead, he was arrested, pleaded guilty to conspiring with the 19 terrorist hijackers and could eventually face the death penalty.

The Internet-based Northeast Intelligence Network (NIN) reports that "confidential sources" have reported that more bomb-making materials and "jihad materials" were found in Hinrichs' university apartment and that there is a "money trail" between Hinrichs and a radical Islamist terror cell in Norman.

Norman Police have confirmed that Hinrichs was briefly investigated days before the bombing when he tried to purchase ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Ammonium nitrate is the same chemical used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building and killed 168 people.

NIN Director Douglas Hagmann declined to comment on the identity of his sources, but told Cybercast News Service that he knows "who the confidential sources are and we have faith in them because of their proximity to the investigation."

He added that his group has "verified many of their statements through other channels." Hagmann said the sources approached his group but are less willing to talk after internal pressure has threatened those who leak information to the press.

News reports have said the material used in Hinrichs' bomb is known as triacetone triperoxide (TATP) and is the same material used in the July train bombings in London. It is also the same chemical used by Richard Reid in his foiled shoe-bombing attempt in 2001. Jihadists refer to the volatile chemical as "Mother of Satan."

FBI agent Gary Johnson, who is heading the investigation from the bureau's Oklahoma City office, declined to confirm or deny that TATP was used in the bombing or was found in the subsequent search of Hinrichs' apartment.

The search lasted at least 24 hours but no information has been released concerning what investigators actually discovered -- Hagmann's confidential sources report finding TATP and "jihad materials" on his computer - because the search warrant was sealed by the Department of Justice.

When asked if NIN's reports are consistent with the FBI investigation, Johnson said, "No," then added, Well okay the stuff that's found in his apartment, I can't comment on [be]cause it's part of a search warrant that's sealed.

"As this time," he said, "there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organization group or activity or activities." Johnson said the investigation is ongoing.

Hagmann said that aside from the information his website reports, the facts released by the FBI raise questions. "If this is nothing more than a lone suicide bomber," he asked, "why would [Hinrichs] do so where he did and how he did it?"

In a press conference after the bombing, Oklahoma University President David Boren said Hinrichs had "what I would call emotional difficulties in the past." He said there is "no evidence at this point which points to any other kind of motivation other than his personal problems."

Dr. Ronald Maris, director of the Suicide Center at the University of South Carolina, said he was reluctant to comment on the case because he did not know the details, but said that usually when people commit suicide with a bomb, there are "other motives.

"The vast majority of people either shoot themselves or hang themselves," Maris said. "Usually when there's bombings it involves other people and involves political motivation."

Various reports, including those on the NIN web site, have alleged that Hinrichs attempted to enter the stadium before detonating the bomb outside.

Johnson would not confirm whether the security guards had been interviewed regarding the purported attempt by Hinrichs to enter, but said investigators have "a really good idea" about whether he tried to gain access.

The Oklahoma City area has a history of connection to terrorism, according to author Jayna Davis. Davis wrote the book "The Third Terrorist," which argues that Murrah building bomber Timothy McVeigh had connections to Arab terrorists.

In 1989, Davis wrote, Osama bin Laden's spiritual mentor Abdul Azam spoke in Oklahoma City advocating the killing of infidels, Jews and Christians. He was joined, she said, by Khaleed Mashaal, the chief of the political arm of Hamas.

In 1995 before the Murrah building attack, Davis said bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, visited Oklahoma City.

According to the congressional report on the 9/11 attacks, Oklahoma City was also where bin Laden's chief pilot received his flight training.


TOPICS: US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hinrichs; movealong; normanbomber; normanbombing; oubombing; ousuicidebomber; terrorism
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To: RegulatorCountry

"I'm thinking that the intention of referring to these so-called "unfounded" newscasts was to discredit reporting from channel 9, as well as that of anyone else who didn't maintain the embargo."

You may be correct.


61 posted on 10/11/2005 11:47:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"I think Boren is presiding over a Roach motel.....must be some big money involved....wonder what kind of money the Saudi's have sent in?

Are they funding the Football program?"

Now, you have done it.

I'm going fishing and leaving you here with your Nomex Suit and flak jacket. I don't know you.


62 posted on 10/11/2005 11:48:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Grampa Dave

"Now, you have done it."

LOL. Sacred cow, for sure. It would be just too inane, though, to find out that everything that has occurred in OK, as well as what apparently has radiated outward from there, was given cover on the basis of protecting the funding or endowment for any sort of program at OU.


63 posted on 10/11/2005 12:01:04 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Can you say Petroleum Engineering School? Not football program.

Petroleum Engineering and Geology get big bucks from Middle East unless I miss my bet.


64 posted on 10/11/2005 12:12:28 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: RegulatorCountry; Grampa Dave

See #64


65 posted on 10/11/2005 12:13:23 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: RegulatorCountry; Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhiKapMom

"LOL. Sacred cow, for sure. It would be just too inane, though, to find out that everything that has occurred in OK, as well as what apparently has radiated outward from there, was given cover on the basis of protecting the funding or endowment for any sort of program at OU."

I think that if we ever find out about the covert funding by the Opecker Princes and Thugs, a lot of mysteries in our lives re certain odd behavior and coverups will be explained.

Not just at OU/OK, but across our nation throughout our colleges/universities, pseudo non profits, the MSM and across many Federal departments like State, Justice, CIA, EPA and other departments.


66 posted on 10/11/2005 12:14:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: PhiKapMom

"Can you say Petroleum Engineering School? Not football program."

"Petroleum Engineering and Geology get big bucks from Middle East unless I miss my bet."

That is probably a very safe bet.



67 posted on 10/11/2005 12:16:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: PhiKapMom

"At this time" is so reminiscent of the 2002 shooting at LAX...


68 posted on 10/11/2005 12:19:00 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: Grampa Dave

"the Opecker Princes and Thugs"

You might need to break this down. OPEC princes, I get. Thugs, I assume, refers to Saddam's crowd, Iran, etcetera.

Other than the odd reference from Mark Steyn, most of the Google hits are from you, Grampa Dave.

So, a little further enlightenment?


69 posted on 10/11/2005 12:21:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: PhiKapMom

"Petroleum Engineering and Geology get big bucks from Middle East unless I miss my bet."

Well, they're awash in dollars, and dollars eventually find their way back home. Always. That's just the way it works, which escapes many so-called economists who fret excessively over the balance of trade. We trade pieces of paper for things of value. In this instance, the thing of value is oil. From a Saudi, or Arab or Persian, point of view, buying influence would be a logical use for some portion of what has to be an absolute mountain of US currency.


70 posted on 10/11/2005 12:33:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: penelopesire

Be sure and buy the updated paperback because that is where the Zawahiri visit is mentioned - in the afterward. I just checked my paperback addition to the Third Terrorist.


71 posted on 10/11/2005 12:38:00 PM PDT by Nancie Drew
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To: hispanarepublicana; All
Here's a little question for Freepers.

If, as the FBI says, this was just a "lone suicide bomber" (Hey, don't stand so close to me! You might just be depressed and wearing a belt of Mother of Satan!), depressed and troubled, then why wouldn't this have shown up as a short article in all the MSM papers across the country stating that we have had our first suicide bomber, with some ties to Islam, but he appears to just have been a troubled loner. ISN'T THAT IN ITSELF newsworthy? We report on the sex lives of ducks and the gaseous habits of cows. Why wouldn't the first suicide bomber make national news?

72 posted on 10/11/2005 12:47:19 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: edcoil
How many of you are building bombs out there and are not a terrorist?

(raising hand) I am not troubled or depressed, but what if I have a bad day one time? I'd better be ready. Now, should I use nails or ball-bearings? When I go, I want to leave marks in trees and inanimate objects around me. I think that's just a nice symbol. Oh, don't worry, I won't harm ANYONE else. I'll pick a NICE QUIET SECLUDED SPOT. Maybe right outside a PACKED STADIUM. It's so quiet once the game starts, you know?

73 posted on 10/11/2005 12:50:05 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: penelopesire
This is the first I have heard of Zawahiri being in Oklahoma. Gotta get that book!

Me too. What else don't we know? Did Osama once visit Disney World?

74 posted on 10/11/2005 12:51:13 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Peach

Answer: Pretty Stupid.


75 posted on 10/11/2005 12:57:01 PM PDT by ichabod1 (The Governments #1 Defense against Terrorism is Pretending It Wasn't Terrorism~!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Careful. I'm a Texan (without big hair).


76 posted on 10/11/2005 12:58:11 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Grampa Dave

OK, this is news to me -- was Berg a Muslim? I did not know this.


77 posted on 10/11/2005 1:03:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: sono; PhiKapMom; RegulatorCountry; penelopesire; Nancie Drew; Yaelle; edcoil
For a wierd one , see this:

CA: Man Shot Trying to Hijack a Train ~~ Armed with a bow and arrow, .... in Montclair,..

78 posted on 10/11/2005 1:06:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Juan Medén
What is it about Oklahoma and FBI cover-ups. They can't get away with it this time!

I'd say the ARE getting away with it!

79 posted on 10/11/2005 1:24:02 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Christian, VRWC Member, Gun Nut, Right-wing Wacko. I feel sooo blessed!)
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To: Don Carlos

Legal side of the Government is not going to allow this to be covered up. The lid will blow off sooner or later but the truth will win out.

Funny thing about prosecuting attorneys, they will only put up with so much spin before the real story starts getting out there. FBI/Homeland Security here in OK/Boren can keep spinning but they are going to lose in the end because their credibility is going down the tubes around here.


80 posted on 10/11/2005 1:47:05 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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