I feel like I am living in the John Carpenter/Roddy Piper flick, They Live without a pair of the special sunglasses, and I am about "all out of bubblegum."
Posted on 10/11/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana
(CNSNews.com) - The head of the FBI investigation of a suicide bombing at an Oklahoma University football game said the investigation has yielded no information tying the bomber to terrorist activities, in spite of Internet reports to the contrary.
Oklahoma University police requested FBI assistance in the investigation due to the nature of the Oct. 1 bombing outside Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, which killed the bomber, student Joel Henry Hinrichs III, but apparently injured no one else.
In the week since the bombing, Internet reports have suggested that Hinrichs, a 21-year old engineering major, had ties to terrorism, including visiting the same Norman, Okla., mosque that Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker" in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S., attended. Moussaoui never boarded the planes. Instead, he was arrested, pleaded guilty to conspiring with the 19 terrorist hijackers and could eventually face the death penalty.
The Internet-based Northeast Intelligence Network (NIN) reports that "confidential sources" have reported that more bomb-making materials and "jihad materials" were found in Hinrichs' university apartment and that there is a "money trail" between Hinrichs and a radical Islamist terror cell in Norman.
Norman Police have confirmed that Hinrichs was briefly investigated days before the bombing when he tried to purchase ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Ammonium nitrate is the same chemical used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building and killed 168 people.
NIN Director Douglas Hagmann declined to comment on the identity of his sources, but told Cybercast News Service that he knows "who the confidential sources are and we have faith in them because of their proximity to the investigation."
He added that his group has "verified many of their statements through other channels." Hagmann said the sources approached his group but are less willing to talk after internal pressure has threatened those who leak information to the press.
News reports have said the material used in Hinrichs' bomb is known as triacetone triperoxide (TATP) and is the same material used in the July train bombings in London. It is also the same chemical used by Richard Reid in his foiled shoe-bombing attempt in 2001. Jihadists refer to the volatile chemical as "Mother of Satan."
FBI agent Gary Johnson, who is heading the investigation from the bureau's Oklahoma City office, declined to confirm or deny that TATP was used in the bombing or was found in the subsequent search of Hinrichs' apartment.
The search lasted at least 24 hours but no information has been released concerning what investigators actually discovered -- Hagmann's confidential sources report finding TATP and "jihad materials" on his computer - because the search warrant was sealed by the Department of Justice.
When asked if NIN's reports are consistent with the FBI investigation, Johnson said, "No," then added, Well okay the stuff that's found in his apartment, I can't comment on [be]cause it's part of a search warrant that's sealed.
"As this time," he said, "there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organization group or activity or activities." Johnson said the investigation is ongoing.
Hagmann said that aside from the information his website reports, the facts released by the FBI raise questions. "If this is nothing more than a lone suicide bomber," he asked, "why would [Hinrichs] do so where he did and how he did it?"
In a press conference after the bombing, Oklahoma University President David Boren said Hinrichs had "what I would call emotional difficulties in the past." He said there is "no evidence at this point which points to any other kind of motivation other than his personal problems."
Dr. Ronald Maris, director of the Suicide Center at the University of South Carolina, said he was reluctant to comment on the case because he did not know the details, but said that usually when people commit suicide with a bomb, there are "other motives.
"The vast majority of people either shoot themselves or hang themselves," Maris said. "Usually when there's bombings it involves other people and involves political motivation."
Various reports, including those on the NIN web site, have alleged that Hinrichs attempted to enter the stadium before detonating the bomb outside.
Johnson would not confirm whether the security guards had been interviewed regarding the purported attempt by Hinrichs to enter, but said investigators have "a really good idea" about whether he tried to gain access.
The Oklahoma City area has a history of connection to terrorism, according to author Jayna Davis. Davis wrote the book "The Third Terrorist," which argues that Murrah building bomber Timothy McVeigh had connections to Arab terrorists.
In 1989, Davis wrote, Osama bin Laden's spiritual mentor Abdul Azam spoke in Oklahoma City advocating the killing of infidels, Jews and Christians. He was joined, she said, by Khaleed Mashaal, the chief of the political arm of Hamas.
In 1995 before the Murrah building attack, Davis said bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, visited Oklahoma City.
According to the congressional report on the 9/11 attacks, Oklahoma City was also where bin Laden's chief pilot received his flight training.
"A REALLY GOOD IDEA" means, yes, he did try to enter the stadium.
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Rush is too busy trying to cover for his first remarks about Harriet Miers and his belt way buddies.
My older son, who refuses to interview for engineers on campuses, has said that the OU and other university happenings are just the tip of the Jihadist Islamic Iceberg in most universities and colleges.
He attended a fairly conservative university and got a degree from a conservative dept.. He said the love affair of the liberal professors with the Islamos was bad in the 1980s combined with the hatred of Israel. He said it is much worse in most unversities today.
Can you please elaborate? I've been off my freep for a while...
BTTT
This is great:
"I LOVE Rush and I know the SC appointment is important, but it's in play and Rush isn't going to be able to change his opinion after he's made his opinion....he can't become a John Kerry on us!"
Rush, "I was against Miers, before I was for her, and against her again, and maybe for her!"
"BTW, Rush is pretty knowledgable about aircraft, it would be interesting to see what he thinks about The Runaway Plane, or even mentions it."
I'm out of the loop here. What runaway plane?
I am almost possitive I heard Rumsfeld or someone of authority say the reason this is going to be so difficult to fight is because we have wiped out a lot of their finances and a lot of their communications, they will now be free-lance Islamic terrorists which is more difficult to track.
Thanks for the ping! Spin, spin, spin from the FBI!
There's a thread on FR this morning about a large 10 passenger private jet that was flown from St. Augustine, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia.
No one seems to know who flew it, when it left, when it landed. The only information is that it was missing when the pilot went to get the plane and then later showed up with some damage at an airport in the Atlanta area.
I feel like I am living in the John Carpenter/Roddy Piper flick, They Live without a pair of the special sunglasses, and I am about "all out of bubblegum."
The suspect is allegedly dead!
Exactly! Boren is going to rue the day he got out in front of this one with his spin. All of his past history is coming out all over the net. Maybe with Tenent no longer at CIA, he will not be protected. When you google in Tenent and Boren, it is shocking and the articles are sourced. It is not some conspiracy.
For the good of The University of Oklahoma Boren needs to resign IMHO.
Check out this link: http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/858/public/news239513.html
From other sources, Boren is the one that helped him get deported instead of court trial. Why would Boren take the word of this Pakistani kid instead of a kid from Oklahoma and eye witnesses -- this inquiring mind wants to know and also wants to know why when the details came out even in the OU Daily, the Board of Regents did nothing?
You're welcome. Somebody is getting really dizzy from all that spinning.
"For the good of The University of Oklahoma Boren needs to resign IMHO.
Check out this link: http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/858/public/news239513.html
From other sources, Boren is the one that helped him get deported instead of court trial. Why would Boren take the word of this Pakistani kid instead of a kid from Oklahoma and eye witnesses -- this inquiring mind wants to know and also wants to know why when the details came out even in the OU Daily, the Board of Regents did nothing?"
What an incredible story.
Boron is being bought out by the Opecker Princes/thugs or they are blackmailing him.
You need to save this story on your computer or another server incase it disappears.
Do it! It's an eye-opener.
And, a wee bit off topic for this thread, but next week at 10 pm central, the History Channel is running their "Conspiracy!" episode on the OKC bombing. I haven't seen it yet, but some of their episodes have been pretty good. They usually start out talking about the conspiracy theory, then morph into the debunkers. Might be worth tivo-ing.
Can you please elaborate? I've been off my freep for a while...
There was explosive devices found on the campus of Georgia Tech. This thread has some information about that. There was also an incident where an explosive device was found in an apartment near UCLA. This thread has information on that. Hope this helps.
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