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Harriet Miers, Constitutionalist: Can We Ask for More?
The National Ledger ^ | October 10, 2005 | Lee Ellis

Posted on 10/10/2005 2:59:18 PM PDT by quidnunc

I suspect that President Bush was shocked to find such an uprising against his choice for a Supreme Court nominee. Why? Because it is coming not from the Liberal Left, but rather from his own base. Even George Will ran an opposition piece against Harriet Miers.

Conservatives have complained, in the past, about the elitists in the Democrat party as being the most liberal group and seemingly in a consistent state of launching snob attacks at everything this “cowboy” (as they call him) does.

I think that the Conservative-Republican cause also has its own share of these elitists, those who look down their noses at anyone who does not graduate from Harvard or Yale or even Stanford. …

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My personal views:

1. President Bush has "lived” with this woman for many years and knows her heart and soul. She helped him find Judge Roberts and the others potential candidates, so she knows what is needed to save this country and he knows this! No other president has ever been associated for so long or worked so closely with a Supreme Court nominee, so the fact that other presidents have been fooled by past selections does not mean that this can happen to this president!.

2. It is bad enough having the Democrats and fellow Leftists against us; we don't need Republicans, too.

3. It is not as if Bush carried a mandate when elected. There are still letters to the editor claiming that either Gore or Kerry really won the presidency, the latter by a bad vote count in Ohio. The media is trying daily to smear the President or his administration.

4. We don't need a long drawn-out battle in Congress right now with a possible filibuster, especially with all the problems raised by the Democrats and the biased media re Iraq, Katrina, the budget deficit, et al.

5. The President may have to appoint two more Supreme Court judges before his term expires, so there is still an opportunity to put up controversial conservatives for the Supreme Court and have the time to wage war against the Socialists in Congress.

6. We lost one election to William Jefferson Clinton because too many Republicans were mad at Bush Sr. including me, and so we voted for Perot. As a result, we had Clinton for 8 years. Let's not make that error again. Do you really want eight years of Hillary and her court nominees?

7. Did the Democrats condemn Clinton when he was impeached? No! They blamed everything on those “mean nasty Republicans” who thought that having sex with a young intern in the Oval Office during business was bad. Some Republicans joined the Democrats. Do the Republicans constantly back President Bush? No! If he is not 100% perfect, we want to punish him. Even 90% perfect is not good enough.

8. No baseball team could win a game if the team was run by what the fans in the park demanded instead of what the coach saw as a winner. Nor, could employees successfully run a corporation if the CEO had to follow their rules rather than what he (or she) knew best. We elected a boss. Back him. The next time, we had better get a stronger mandate (more voters) if we are to obtain an even stronger hold over Congress in 06 and 08!

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: koolaid; miers; rationalization
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
All of that is fine and dandy. Now explain how you will get any of those nominees through a rat/rino infested Senate.It ain't gonna happen and GW knew that long before you posted the list.You have to consider who he has to deal with, and it's not a pretty sight.
101 posted on 10/10/2005 4:36:51 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: Cboldt
Bush didn't follow my wishes, but I'm not willing to split the party over it. I will now defend his decision.

We differ over the meaning of the Sowell quote. I posted it on this thread. "If Bush is right about Miers, perhaps she is the best choice he could make." or whatever. I assume Bush is right about Miers, and therefore, she is the best choice.

102 posted on 10/10/2005 4:39:16 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: Cboldt
If the President is right about Harriet Miers, she may be the best choice he could make under the circumstances.

Here's the quote that I view as Sowell supporting Miers.

103 posted on 10/10/2005 4:41:00 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Bottom line, you don't trust Bush and we do. We didn't vote for you or your opinion so it makes no matter what you think. Your chrystal ball is no better than ours. Perhaps you'll give her the benefit of the doubt in the hearings or are you looking for a pound of flesh?

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

104 posted on 10/10/2005 4:41:41 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: rodguy911
The President could have held off on naming a nominee too. He could have expressed that his goal to set constructionist judges was made unreasnably difficult by the Senate. He could ask the Senate to perform its advice and consent function on Myers (9th Circuit), Boyle, Haynes, Kavanaugh and Saad. And after they are done with that, I will send a SCOTUS nomination, but not until.

He could apologize to Sandra Day O'Connor, but explain the problem is with the Senate, not with the Executive.

Otherwise if we were to induce "the good fight" as so many are dying to do, it could easily backfire turning to a prolonged disaster with ramifications all the way into 06 and possibly beyond.

This nomination has potentially set the "prolonged disaster" wheels in motion.

105 posted on 10/10/2005 4:42:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
While it may have done what you say, the odds of a prolonged battle and Miers not being confirmed are short. She probably will be confirmed and GW will win another battle.
Was it pretty? No. Did he(we) win, yes.
106 posted on 10/10/2005 4:55:21 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: quidnunc
One of two things is true. Either Harriet Miers really is a constitutionalist in the John Roberts mode, or she isn't. If she is, I don't care about a paper trail. If she isn't, I wouldn't want her teaching a law class, much less being on the Supreme Court.

The problem is that we have no idea which of these things is true. I feel the people bashing the President should back off. I feel the people pushing Miers should back off. Wait until we know more, and then call your Senator.

107 posted on 10/10/2005 4:55:23 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (CINDY'S IN GITMO! ALL YOUR BUS ARE BELONG TO US!)
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To: Neville72

Great letter!

A lot of pundits have hurt their standing in the eye's of the conservatives that count... the ones that put George Bush in the White House to start with!


108 posted on 10/10/2005 4:59:23 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: bray

"Bottom line, you don't trust Bush and we do."

Trust, but verify.
-Ronald Reagan

But seriously, since when does trusting someone mean blindly accepting their every decision without questioning?


109 posted on 10/10/2005 5:02:05 PM PDT by sanemom
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To: sanemom
When he's your President. It's called Loyalty, something many Conservatives know nothing about. They didn't get their pick and now they call her a Souter.

When has he picked a bad Justice?? When has he picked a bad person??

Pray for W and Harriet Miers

110 posted on 10/10/2005 5:05:25 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: rodguy911
While it may have done what you say, the odds of a prolonged battle and Miers not being confirmed are short. She probably will be confirmed and GW will win another battle.

He will have put Harriet Miers on SCOTUS. My point is that there is another, related battle, or two or three, or more.

Some people are unhappy with this pick for strategic reasons, even if Harriet Miers works out fine on the Court. Maybe they are paranoid - but there is no question they are disappointed.

I think George Bush has let down the Office of the Presidency by avoiding telling the people and the Senate that the gang-of-14 is an abomination - an unacceptable intrusion on Presidential preogative. It bugs me that he averse to having that confrontation. I think the GOP is weak, and I think the timidity of the nomination is a weakening move.

Yes. He'll win the seating of the nominee. But it comes with a cost. I hope it's worth it.

111 posted on 10/10/2005 5:06:39 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: sinkspur
...not a SINGLE LIBERAL in the bunch...

Justice Consuelo Callahan, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals - nominated by George W. Bush.
Fienstien's approval of Callahan

Patrick Leahy's statement on Callahan


Edward C. Prado In 2003, President George W. Bush nominated Judge Prado for the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Talk Left supports Ed Prado for Scotus

Draft Ed Prado


Others:

Richard Clifton Appointed by George W. Bush to the 9th circuit Court of Appeals is generally regarded by Conservatives as a liberal disaster and a classic example of a Judge turning left after being confirmed.

Roger Gregory, 4th Circuit Initially appointed by Clinton in 2000 in a recess appointment and then became one of George W. Bush's first judicial picks. Of course, he could have appointed a Republican or a Conservative, but chose not to.

112 posted on 10/10/2005 5:09:55 PM PDT by msnimje (What in Bork's name was Bush thinking?............................Captain Ed..9 Oct 2005)
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To: Neville72

About the only thing we haven't see yet is Ann Coulter on a bridge in DC crying because Miers got the nomination.


113 posted on 10/10/2005 5:10:23 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: bray

"When he's your President. It's called Loyalty, something many Conservatives know nothing about."

I'm loyal to my husband, doesn't mean I never question any decision he makes. Loyalty doesn't mean one can never disagree-is this America or Nazi Germany?


114 posted on 10/10/2005 5:11:25 PM PDT by sanemom
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To: ez
Paraphrasing your logic ...

I [ez] hold that the statement, "She may be the best choice he could make under the circumstances" represents Sowell supporting Miers.

You may indeed find that connection, but not many readers will. In the spirit of constructive criticism, it's damaging to one's credibility to misrepresent someone else's position (in this case, Sowell's) to "win" an argument. The "win" is an illusion, and one's reputation is involved in the cost.

115 posted on 10/10/2005 5:15:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: msnimje
LOL!! How come you weren't squealing like a scalded dog when these people were approved by the Senate?

As I recall, I didn't hear a peep out of you.

Besides, you gave me no indication that any of them, except for Gregory, is a liberal. You just gave me quotes from people who supported them.

23 Democrat Senators supported John Roberts. Does that mean he's a liberal, too?

Sorry, no sale.

116 posted on 10/10/2005 5:19:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Betaille
Babyish, desperate ad-hominem attacks aside... none of these are actual arguments. It reads more like a Letterman top 10 list of jokes. It's not a serious defense of Miers, in fact I don't think I've seen one of those yet. Hmm....

"I'm rubber, you're glue - everything you say bounces of me and sticks to you!"

Sorry, but I've been seeing alot of tantrums and "desperate ad-hominem attacks" from the bushbasher side as well.

And, I see a lot of complaints from children who didn't get their way, but I still haven't seen a cohert argument from your side either.

117 posted on 10/10/2005 5:22:40 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (Not too worry - we'll all be united again under the next Clinton presidency!!)
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To: sanemom
But seriously, since when does trusting someone mean blindly accepting their every decision without questioning?

It's called loyalty And from the hystronics and nastiness here in the last few days, I'd say most people are going far beyond questioning

118 posted on 10/10/2005 5:28:40 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (Not too worry - we'll all be united again under the next Clinton presidency!!)
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To: SunStar
Because, in addition to other reasons, George H.W. Bush appointed David Souter... Why didn't George W. Bush learn this? Conservatives care most about the Supreme Court, because it is an institution that affects the entire country for decades at a time. If anything else, he should not have appointed an unknown for this position.

And I presume you are going to bring a curse down on Ronald Reagan's soul for his appointment gone bad. I have worked in conservative politics and the pro-life movement for over 30 years, and I cannot believe the emotional venom being spewed against Miers without giving her a chance to speak. To my mind these individuals are rejecting every bit of integrity our movements stood for in the past. I would ask a simple what would Jesus do, but will settle for what would Ronald Reagan do?
119 posted on 10/10/2005 5:31:34 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sinkspur
LOL!! How come you weren't squealing like a scalded dog when these people were approved by the Senate?

This is about the lamest retort I have heard on Free Republic and that is quite an astounding achievement.

You have no idea my response to these nominations.

It is very telling that I responded to your ill-informed, knee-jerk, mean spirited statement with actual facts and you came back with a false and inept personal attack on me.

I am sorry you can't handle the truth but that does not make it less true.
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120 posted on 10/10/2005 5:41:05 PM PDT by msnimje (What in Bork's name was Bush thinking?............................Captain Ed..9 Oct 2005)
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