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Latest pictures out of China of PLANs work on the Carrier Varyag
CHINA.COM Military Pics ^ | 10 Octoner 2005 | Jeff Head

Posted on 10/10/2005 10:17:52 AM PDT by Jeff Head

The PLAN is readying the former Russian carrier Varyag for something. These pictures show the exterior painting now being completed in the standard PLAN surface combatant colors, with the superstructure preparing to be painted.

They have been working on the project in their naval shipyards for over two year now.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarriers; armsrace; chinesecarrier; dragonsfuryseries; freeperjeffhead; jeffhead; militarybuildup; navy; plan; planbuildup; redchinabuildup; redchinathreat; varyag; worldnavies; worldwariii; worldwidecarriers; wwiii
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To: ClearCase_guy

Google on "Gwadar."

Then consider the pipeline that is going to be built.


141 posted on 10/10/2005 2:08:27 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: dgallo51

Yes, it's small enough to fit through the Canal and since China controls the Canal, it should be no problem to send it through.


142 posted on 10/10/2005 2:08:52 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.")
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To: JamesP81

Overland logistics and conquest figure prominently in the PRC's plans. Why deal with seaways when you don't have to?


143 posted on 10/10/2005 2:10:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Jeff Head

The critical thing many folks seem to miss is that the Shanghai Cooperation Org changes everything. The PRC becomes an extension of the depth of the great steppes. Multiple eschelons of materiel and men .... overland logistics (and, in the Southerly direction, conquest). An Axis rooted in the massiveness of the lion's share of the Eurasian land mass. It is so frightening, most Americans do not want to think about it at all. So they don't ...


144 posted on 10/10/2005 2:14:17 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
"If they touch Taiwan, we'll rip apart that carrier, we should take that opportunity to take out their entire navy...we'll take out a threat that could present itself for atleast my Generation."

I respect and agree with what you say. However the ChiComs are waiting for a Democrat as POTUS. It will be different management then.
145 posted on 10/10/2005 2:17:30 PM PDT by American Vet Repairman (Gun control is a double tap and a head shot.)
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To: sam_paine
we need to be very much afraid.

remember, the chinese have the plans to numerous Gundam Warrior robots, Power Rangers and GI Joe figurines thanks to traitorous US companies like Hasbro and Mattel.

do you seriously think the culture that build a full sized stone army of 4000 soldiers and horses for one of its emperors in Xian is going to stop with 12" high toys?

we will have to enlist the help of japanese technology (mothra, godzilla, the smog monster) to win against the city-sized attack robots unleashed by the chinese, the battle will probably be waged in the streets of L.A...

146 posted on 10/10/2005 2:17:39 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Yeah but the TU-95 is such an antiquated design, would it really be a threat? I mean, our carriers know the location of every submarine at sea in their area at any given time. Between that, and land based fighters, I don't think any TU-95s China might acquire would get anywhere near detection range of one of our Subs if we didn't want it to. Especailly given how quiet our subs are. The Sturgeons and Permits are long gone, and I do not believe a TU-95 could really detect an Ohio, Improved-LA, or Seawolf sub submurged, especailly since we would know of any TU-95s approaching their position before they get there, and would likely be able to warn the sub ahead of time.


147 posted on 10/10/2005 2:20:47 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Jeff Head

Fighting in the PRC's litoral could get sort of strange. Most Americans are not very familiar with the area. They picture something like one of our coasts - with low densities of civie ships and wide expanses of water. In reality, with the many, many shoals, small islands and generally flat water, combined with the zillions of potential targets, it would not be straightforward. For example, is the barge with one container on it what it appears to be? Etc ...


148 posted on 10/10/2005 2:22:46 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Taking it all is one thing. Being able to hold it is something altogether different. In a war of attrition, The U.S. and it's allies would be able to beat China. They just simply don't have the techinology, the training, or the deep pockets to win a protracted military conflict against the West. If we had to, we could get by without income from the Chinese markets. Wouldn't be fun, but we could do it. China would go broke fast if funds from Western trade went to zero.


149 posted on 10/10/2005 2:24:43 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Jeff Head

Lots of choppers. Interesting ...


150 posted on 10/10/2005 2:28:43 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: American Vet Repairman

We'll then Congress will have to declare war!...I dont forsee a Democratic President until 2016 atleast. We may get a RINO in 2008 but id rather see someone with a backbone (eg Giuliani) confront Chicoms than Hitlery.


151 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:13 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: Jeff Head

Have they painted a bulls-eye on it yet?


152 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:17 PM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: chilepepper
the battle will probably be waged in the streets of L.A...

Well this is all very nice and scary, but how the hell are you gonna float 4000 stone people across the Pacific to LA?

And something else. Nobody seems to ever comment on this. They always say you can see the Great Wall from space, right? Well hello? If you can see both sides of the wall, then it isn't much of a barrier. Sheesh. Godzilla is cool.

153 posted on 10/10/2005 2:31:11 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Allen H

I'd judge it to be P3 like ELINT wise and otherwise, clearly inferior compared to other craft we can field. The good news is, the problem of our own ASW gap was recognized and as far as I can tell will be closed in about 5 or so years.


154 posted on 10/10/2005 2:32:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Allen H

One thing I forgot ... of course the Tu-95 is much faster than any P3 cruising .... but probably not nearly as manoeverable.


155 posted on 10/10/2005 2:33:52 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Allen H

We need to assume that in a worst case scenario, it's not China alone, but an Axis with the SCO at its core. Also assume overland moves in Europe concurrent with ones in Asia. In other words, assume, worst case, most of both Asia and Europe are taken early on by the Axis and we have to fight WW2 but worse. Assume also, that very early on, something happens simulataneosly to the Straits of Hormuz and Malacca. And being the dark scenario guy that I am, I also personally assume that nuclear weapons ranging from tactical to strategic, are used to eliminate military targets, including Diego Garcia, early on and that the nukes are from the combined SCO arsenal.


156 posted on 10/10/2005 2:38:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: JamesP81
I think you're a little optimistic. The USN war-gamed a war with the PRC and, according to the results, its carriers were forced to retreat. Their carrier makes this equation worse.

Mind you, the USN might have been trying to improve its budget situation...
157 posted on 10/10/2005 2:40:17 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: namsman

Just one ping.......


158 posted on 10/10/2005 2:41:06 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906

That ship is a Navy Cross waiting for a submarine Captain.

Namsman sends.


159 posted on 10/10/2005 2:47:05 PM PDT by namsman
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To: Allen H

MK-48 with a topping of harpoon, and cruse missile just for fun.


160 posted on 10/10/2005 2:48:01 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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