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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I didn't agree with the signing of those two bills. How does my disagreeing with W. on those two instances disqualify me from trusting the man in this particular instance?

Because you are supporting his nomination of Miers strictly on the criterion of trust.

Did you vote for W. in 2004? If you did, you voted for him after he had signed those two bills. You in effect voted for a man that you don't trust.

I voted for him in 2000 and 2004 despite his votes on those issues. I didn't introduce the word trust into this equation, you did. I voted for him because I thought he was the best person for the job. I don't have to agree with him on every issue to vote for him.

Could W. have gotten a better candidate? Without a doubt. If Pukin Dog is correct, then Miers is the best that could be gotten under the circumstances

This is where we part company. I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances. It was a fight worth having. Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

At any rate, I do feel that in the Rove,Plame,Libby,Wilson matter, we have a really nasty problem ahead. That is going to make the current squabble over SC nominees seem irrelevant in comparison.

The Dems sense weakness. They will redouble their efforts against Rove, Delay, Frist, Libby, et. al. The nomination of Miers has contributed to the problem and the perception that the GOP is in disarray. Although the Dems may not control Congress and the WH, they act like they do, which is enough to intimidate the GOP. Appeasing them with Miers will not satiate their appetite for Rep hides.

1,121 posted on 10/12/2005 2:19:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I think that is what Custer told his troops at the Little Big Horn.

Custer lost. Benteen lost. Reno lost. The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

1,122 posted on 10/13/2005 1:11:15 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kabar
I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances. It was a fight worth having. Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

Concurring BTTT. And AFAIC, here endeth the lesson. I just hope Harriett Miers will be a good sport and stand down. She'll be a good staff attorney, and a judgeship in her future -- perhaps on the seriously leftward-listing Ninth Circus -- wouldn't be out of the question. Just not this Associate Justiceship. We don't need a new judge up there; we need a golem of conservative rectitude, a true junior companion and successor to Justices Scalia and Thomas.

1,123 posted on 10/13/2005 1:20:29 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kabar
I voted for him in 2000 and 2004 despite his votes on those issues. I didn't introduce the word trust into this equation, you did. I voted for him because I thought he was the best person for the job. I don't have to agree with him on every issue to vote for him.

Likewise, I don't have to agree with W. on every issue to trust him to make a good pick for USSC.

Because you are supporting his nomination of Miers strictly on the criterion of trust.

My is trust based on, as you said, W. was the best man for the job of President.

This is where we part company. I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances.

I wonder what the final track record at the end of their term on the court has been of those picked with a "proven" track record.

It was a fight worth having.

Yeah it is quite evident that you guys on your side have been hankering for a good knockdown drag out fight. Not sure our spineless RINOS in the Senate would be up for the job.

A recent example is the caving of RINOS in the house over the energy bill. Now is the time to strike and strike hard, but noooooooooo, we cave and let the dims get away with murder.

Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

Yes we do.

Appeasing them with Miers will not satiate their appetite for Rep hides.

Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian, who no doubt the dims will be fearful of her voting to over turning Roe v. Wade. I am not so sure that her confirmation is a surety.

1,124 posted on 10/13/2005 6:52:02 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Custer lost. Benteen lost. Reno lost.

Yes, but didn't they motivate their base by taking on the enemy with inferior forces?

The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

I can't he's dead.

1,125 posted on 10/13/2005 6:54:22 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I wonder what the final track record at the end of their term on the court has been of those picked with a "proven" track record.

On today's court, start with Breyer and Bader-Ginsberg. The Dems seemed to have selected the right ones. Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist had proven track records. Souter didn't. Kennedy did but has shifted somewhat. O'Connor was vetted but has turned towards the end of her career as part of her legacy building. I have no idea what was done in the case of Stephens.

Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian, who no doubt the dims will be fearful of her voting to over turning Roe v. Wade. I am not so sure that her confirmation is a surety.

If that is meant to be a ray of hope, I would rather not put my trust in the Dems to block this one. GWB signed CFR hoping that SCOTUS would declare parts of it unconstitutional. It didn't happen as another 5 to 4 vote carried the day.

1,126 posted on 10/13/2005 7:11:38 AM PDT by kabar
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This debate no longer matters.

Miers will be gone soon. She is going to withdraw. If not tomorrow, sometime next week.
1,127 posted on 10/13/2005 7:14:31 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Then what is the word, will W. pick another soon or let the matter ride for a while?


1,128 posted on 10/13/2005 7:23:57 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Let it ride, baby, let it ride.....unless one of the decliners can be persuaded to change their mind.
1,129 posted on 10/13/2005 7:25:52 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
unless one of the decliners can be persuaded to change their mind.

I was struck by the pic of the ceremony when W. announced his choice of John Roberts to be associate justice. In the foreground is Roberts' cute son frolicking in front of the President of the United States. While behind the kid stands the President and the Roberts. On the face of Roberts' wife is the look of someone about to be led to the gallows.

Ah yes, we all need a good anal exam every now and then.......

1,130 posted on 10/13/2005 7:36:11 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Some more inside information or pure speculation?


1,131 posted on 10/13/2005 7:36:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Why on earth after all the stupid personal attacks would I bother to speculate?
1,132 posted on 10/13/2005 7:41:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

A Delphic response. So I can assume that you have received some more "inside" information. Personally, I think Bush will dig in his heels and not withdraw her nomination. Only Harriet can do that to save face.


1,133 posted on 10/13/2005 7:50:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I'm sorry, you deserved a better answer. Miers will withdraw her name, Bush wont have to do anything but make the announcement.
1,134 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:24 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

I guess you're following Rush reading the Drudge story on the air now?


1,135 posted on 10/13/2005 9:16:24 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I never miss Rush, but I got my information last evening.
1,136 posted on 10/13/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: hummingbird

HA! There's gotta be a tune in there somewhere. You're the humming-bird, I'll leave it up to you.


1,137 posted on 10/13/2005 6:08:27 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
[Me] The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

[You] I can't he's dead.

Precisely.

1,139 posted on 10/14/2005 4:31:54 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Pukin Dog

Nice post. Thanks for the info.


1,140 posted on 10/14/2005 4:51:53 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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