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Bush voters say nation going in wrong direction
The Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 8, 2005 | WILL LESTER

Posted on 10/08/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by neverdem

Poll finds fears about gas prices, Iraq, the economy and disaster costs

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Evangelicals, Republican women, Southerners and other critical groups in President Bush's political coalition are worried about the direction the nation is headed and disappointed with his performance, an AP-Ipsos poll found.

That unease could be a troubling sign for a White House already struggling to keep the Republican Party base from slipping over Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, Gulf Coast spending projects, immigration and other issues.

"Politically, this is very serious for the president," said James Thurber, a political scientist at American University. "If the base of his party has lost faith, that could spell trouble for his policy agenda and for the party generally."

Sentiment about the nation's direction has sunk to new depths at a time people are anxious about Iraq, the economy, gas prices and the management of billions of dollars being spent for recovery from natural disasters.

Only 28 percent say the country is headed in the right direction while two-thirds, 66 percent, say it is on the wrong track, the poll found.

"There is a growing, deep-seated discontentment and pessimism about the direction of the country," said Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio.

Supporters uneasy

Among those most likely to have lost confidence about the nation's direction over the past year are white evangelicals, down 30 percentage points since November, Republican women, down 28 points, Southerners, down 26 points, and suburban men, down 20 points.

Bush's supporters are uneasy about issues such as federal deficits, immigration and his latest nomination for the Supreme Court. Social conservatives are concerned about his choice of Miers, a relatively unknown lawyer who has served as White House counsel.

The president's job approval is mired at the lowest level of his presidency — 39 percent. While four of five Republicans say they approve of Bush's job performance — enthusiasm has dipped over the last year.

Party backing slips

In December 2004, soon after his re-election, almost two-thirds of Republicans strongly approved of the job done by Bush. The AP-Ipsos survey found that just half in his own party feel that way now.

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted by Ipsos, an international polling company, from Monday to Wednesday and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.


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KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; aliens; bush43; bushvoters; conservatives; dummiespy; gop; immigration; poll; term2
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To: PositiveCogins
["I see a man with nearly insurmountable tasks on him being second guessed by a bunch of no-nothings."
Very true and I agree. I just don't see why he looks the other way on immigration and other issues. To me these are
sellouts. I supported a conservative Bush. I got got a very slightly right of center moderate.]



Then you supported a Bush who never existed. I voted for Bush twice, because he was a vastly superior candidate to the other choices, and I'm 100% certain that he is a better President than either Gore or Kerry would have been. My "ideal" candidate wasn't on the ballot so I voted for the next best thing, and I don't see the wisdom of whining about what Bush is now, when I knew exactly what I was going to get.

A better use of my time these days is working toward getting something closer to my "ideal" candidate in position for the primary season for the 08 election.
181 posted on 10/08/2005 10:45:12 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: A.Hun

you make good points, but there is one i would take issue with.

" On illegal immigration, he wants illegals identified, the heck with whether they are made remain illegal or not."

If he were to effectively control the border I would buy into this more. They do want them in the system (and paying SS tax and other taxes), but they also want more of them, no matter what security risk that eventually entails.


182 posted on 10/08/2005 10:48:48 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Blowtorch

His sticking point is granting amnesty for non-criminal illegals. Tough debate.

(I know if they are here they are criminals..but other than that).

I don't know the answer. You certainly have a valid question.


183 posted on 10/08/2005 10:55:20 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: AZ_Cowboy

Yep, when the public starts paying less and less for gas/energy and their wages are rising while more jobs become available because we begin to deport 15M law-breakers, the GOP will be worshipped for decades to come. If only they'd grab their stones and go for it.


184 posted on 10/08/2005 10:55:22 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: spinestein
"Then you supported a Bush who never existed."
So Bush never said he supported conservative values in his first and second campaign? Otherwise I agree with you on the better of the two.

"A better use of my time these days is working toward getting something closer to my "ideal" candidate in
position for the primary season for the 08 election."

Who do you have in mind?
185 posted on 10/08/2005 11:00:54 PM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: WoofDog123

Yes, they do. We are at about 5% unemployment and for the US, thats about everyone working that wants too. The immigrant labor helps big business, and indeed, all business.

I do think though that security trumps everything else.

But I also realize how well the Great War on Drugs has done stopping dope from coming in. What's that cost, like a gazillion dollars?

If nothing else, the states should take responsibility and police their borders themselves. I bet you could get regional agreements for non border states to help with the costs.

Conservatives find a way to get around these roadblocks. Common sense demands it.


186 posted on 10/08/2005 11:03:36 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: A.Hun
California is gonna have to save itself. You get your legislature on board with closing the border, then bitch at the President.

You have a good point here but border control is ultimately the responsibility of the federal government. At the end of the day no government entity is picking up the ball on this, state or federal, leaving the people (Minuteman Project) to have to push for border control - and they are demonized for it.

In California, nothing is going to change as far as improving border control without a forced push by the federal government, as the trend is going the other way. Heck, a drivers license for illegals bill was just presented to the Governor, which he fortunately vetoed. As you said, the California legislators and politicians are not "on board" for border control and in fact are generally in favor of granting near citizen rights to illegals. I don't see this trend changing-ever-as far as this state is concerned.
187 posted on 10/08/2005 11:06:21 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Blowtorch

Heck, I don't know what to tell you. To adequately police the border would be tremendously expensive.

If you really p*ss off the druglords you could literally turn the southern border into a free fire zone.

The Mexican government is worthless, no help from that quarter at all. Matter of fact, they are so damn corrupt, they would probably be complicit.

Unfortunately, there are so many moonbats per square mile in california, they can't lead the fight either.

Right now it is damn near intractable.


188 posted on 10/08/2005 11:12:48 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: Blowtorch

I'm glad i'm not the President.

Enjoyed

Good Evening


189 posted on 10/08/2005 11:14:51 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: A.Hun
Enjoyed

Likewise. Have a good night FRiend.
190 posted on 10/08/2005 11:21:41 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Mini-14

The GOP leadership has made a mistake in trying to be too conciliatory and bipartisan on domestic issues (immigration, taxes, spending, etc.) ie any issue with a degree of ambiguity or grey area. On fundamental matters where there is only black and white, with no grey area, like the war on terror, the administration has done great... I think they just need an injection of adrenaline in their collective cahonas (sp) to turn around on domestic issues.

I'm willing to trust the President on the Miers thing. He saw his father get stabbed in the back with Justice Souter, and I don't think he'll make that same mistake.. With very little paper trail, it will keep the libs guessing till its too late...

He just needs to learn to lead in the domestic arena, not to try to please the democrats...


191 posted on 10/08/2005 11:21:57 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic, will be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure society!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

America has seen its greatest progress when conservative principles have been applied--Barry Goldwater, 1961.


192 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:41 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic, will be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure society!)
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To: Schwaeky

Bush really needs to examine these polls closely. Then he needs to have a polite discussion with Harriet and then Harriet, with great dignity, needs to take a bow and bow out.


193 posted on 10/08/2005 11:24:27 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: flashbunny
[no, they don't. That's why you're appearing a bit ignorant.
"Tinfoil" applies to people who have crazy theories or believe crazy things. "koolaid" applies to those who accept being told "trust us" without asking any tough questions, or believe that a certain party can do no wrong, in spite of actual actions. Let me guess, you probably think the word "niggardly" is a racial slur, too?]


Wow. Five fallacious arguments in five sentences.
194 posted on 10/08/2005 11:25:23 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: spinestein

detail exactly how each five are "fallacious" or slink away.


195 posted on 10/08/2005 11:29:20 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: sinkspur
Ann Coulter, in particular, has ruined herself with a large number of people, calling Miers a "cleaning lady," and laughing, on Bill Maher, about impeaching Bush.

I hadn't heard that. I don't keep up with Ann Coulter except what I read here. What a disgraceful comment to make. Whether or not you agree with her nomination, Miers is entitled to being treated decently and with respect, especially by conservatives and Coulter should know better. I know Ann has lost a lot of fans here over this-now I know why.
196 posted on 10/08/2005 11:29:56 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Excuse me, the President and Congress's job are not to HANDLE THE ECONOMY.... It says nowhere in the constitution about that. At best they need to step back and take the handcuffs and shackles off of economic development that are often put on there by burecrats and special interest groups pursuing their agendas.. As for the problems right now, in a static situation with nothing done to change it, it is called the Business cycle, get used to it.. but they can take the regulatory handcuffs and shuffle them aside and make a good deal of positive change....


By not doing that, they have drug the nation down badly, but while they have the reigns on power, there is always hope, if only they would grow some hair downstairs to stand up to the liberals... We gave him a mandate, both by re-electing him and giving him a stronger Republican majority in congress. They need to stop governing like Democrats...


197 posted on 10/08/2005 11:31:28 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic, will be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure society!)
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To: PositiveCogins; rrrod; DTogo; andie74; earplug; sageb1; SC33
Just for the record, here is what our federal government has been spending during Bush's Presidency. Amounts are in trillions of dollars (and represent approximately 20% of GDP)

Outlays:
2000 - 1.789
2001 - 1.863
2002 - 2.011
2003 - 2.160
2004 - 2.292

Here is the percent annual increase.

2000-2001 4.1%
2001-2002 7.9%
2002-2003 7.4%
2003-2002 6.1%

source: http://cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0

While I'd personally be more comfortable with annual increases kept below 5%, this really isn't anywhere near the "spending like a drunken sailor" that usually describes it and is certainly better than the double digit increases we could reasonably expect from a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.
198 posted on 10/08/2005 11:33:57 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Bush served the meal. Blame him.


199 posted on 10/08/2005 11:34:58 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth
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To: Blowtorch
His base started dining on him? Or is it the other way around.

I had it correct. Btw, the issue I'm discussing is Miers nomination and only Miers.

200 posted on 10/08/2005 11:39:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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