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Bush voters say nation going in wrong direction
The Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 8, 2005 | WILL LESTER

Posted on 10/08/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by neverdem

Poll finds fears about gas prices, Iraq, the economy and disaster costs

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Evangelicals, Republican women, Southerners and other critical groups in President Bush's political coalition are worried about the direction the nation is headed and disappointed with his performance, an AP-Ipsos poll found.

That unease could be a troubling sign for a White House already struggling to keep the Republican Party base from slipping over Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, Gulf Coast spending projects, immigration and other issues.

"Politically, this is very serious for the president," said James Thurber, a political scientist at American University. "If the base of his party has lost faith, that could spell trouble for his policy agenda and for the party generally."

Sentiment about the nation's direction has sunk to new depths at a time people are anxious about Iraq, the economy, gas prices and the management of billions of dollars being spent for recovery from natural disasters.

Only 28 percent say the country is headed in the right direction while two-thirds, 66 percent, say it is on the wrong track, the poll found.

"There is a growing, deep-seated discontentment and pessimism about the direction of the country," said Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio.

Supporters uneasy

Among those most likely to have lost confidence about the nation's direction over the past year are white evangelicals, down 30 percentage points since November, Republican women, down 28 points, Southerners, down 26 points, and suburban men, down 20 points.

Bush's supporters are uneasy about issues such as federal deficits, immigration and his latest nomination for the Supreme Court. Social conservatives are concerned about his choice of Miers, a relatively unknown lawyer who has served as White House counsel.

The president's job approval is mired at the lowest level of his presidency — 39 percent. While four of five Republicans say they approve of Bush's job performance — enthusiasm has dipped over the last year.

Party backing slips

In December 2004, soon after his re-election, almost two-thirds of Republicans strongly approved of the job done by Bush. The AP-Ipsos survey found that just half in his own party feel that way now.

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted by Ipsos, an international polling company, from Monday to Wednesday and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; aliens; bush43; bushvoters; conservatives; dummiespy; gop; immigration; poll; term2
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To: DTogo
The real worry is that if all internal criticism is silenced, the GOP will wind up exactly like the Democratic Party has become. They purged their ranks of the Scoop Jackson wing, and increasingly it looks as if the Unions are toast as well. Witness the unceremonious dumping of Dick Gephardt. Their electoral results have been less than stellar since the purge has been completed. Were it not for Soros and the 527 loophole, their funding would have been toast as well.

Actually, I'll go further than you did about this majority we have- If we can't count on Congress to dutifully advance the Conservative Agenda, did we ever really have a majority to begin with?

The problem is twofold here, of course. On one end, we have the RINOs and their apologists in Congress who buck the leadership and water things down, and at the other end we have the administration failing to actively set the tone in Washington and ceding too much of the terms of debate to the opposition.
161 posted on 10/08/2005 9:55:12 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Pelham

Nope, not even close. We only have about three million people in the state total.

But we do have plenty immigrants, legal and illegal.

You want to arrest all five million in the nation and repatriate them to Mexico?

Good luck.

How are you gonna separate them from the legal ones?


162 posted on 10/08/2005 9:56:36 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: citizencon; DTogo; harpo11

I was disappointed with the choice of Miers, but it's water under the bridge now. I don't see any profit in bashing the President about Miers. Please take a gander at what I wrote in comment# 93.


163 posted on 10/08/2005 9:56:56 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

When the going gets tough, the rodents wimp out.


164 posted on 10/08/2005 9:57:17 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal or RINO and I'll show you a head & heart, fit for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
I'm trembling.

Parkinson's?

165 posted on 10/08/2005 9:58:29 PM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: streetpreacher

I bet you sweat bullets sitting at red lights wondering if the darn thing will ever turn green again.

(Waiting for the next insult from the *cough* preacher.


166 posted on 10/08/2005 10:01:11 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (It was a village of idiots that raised Hillary to Senator status.)
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To: Hattie
Just tell me you really believe the Congress is going to close the borders. Please tell me you really believe that if Bush would only tell them to close the borders, they would

Bush has a responsibility to uphold the constitution and to protect the nation from invasion. How Congress would act does not remove his responsibility as President on this issue and if anything it actually amplifies his responsibility. Bush doesn't even address or discuss the border probleme and he won't because he's for an amnesty program, contrary to the overwhelming majority of the views of his electorate.
167 posted on 10/08/2005 10:04:00 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: A.Hun

Might as well go with a national ID. The Bill of Rights is toast anyway.


168 posted on 10/08/2005 10:05:38 PM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: Blowtorch

Remember BT, we are a republic, not a monarchy. I'm glad Bill Clinton was restrained by the mechanics of our nation's government.


169 posted on 10/08/2005 10:08:28 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: PositiveCogins

Doesn't that suck. Since I was a kid, I have been warned about the mark of the Beast. I don't like it worth a damn.

Don't give up on the strength of our Bill of Rights though. It has withstood some serious sh*t in the last 200 years.


170 posted on 10/08/2005 10:12:42 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: neverdem
People just feel the President is drifting and they wonder if he has an agenda. He started out his second term with great promise and as the year draws to a close he appoints a crony to the U.S Supreme Court. GOP voters are expecting him to do better and they haven't seen leadership.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
171 posted on 10/08/2005 10:12:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AZ_Cowboy; neverdem
The problem is twofold here, of course. On one end, we have the RINOs and their apologists in Congress who buck the leadership and water things down, and at the other end we have the administration failing to actively set the tone in Washington and ceding too much of the terms of debate to the opposition.

Yep!

Neverdem, Miers will be water under the bridge when she's finally on the bench. But she's low on my list of Presidential criticisms for not being the aggressive Conservative I was hoping he'd be in his second term.

172 posted on 10/08/2005 10:14:25 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: A.Hun
You want to arrest all five million in the nation and repatriate them to Mexico?

Good luck.

How are you gonna separate them from the legal ones?

Evidently you are from the "they all look alike" school. Here in California we don't have as much trouble as you do sorting out hispanic Americans from Mexican and Central American nationals.

As far as arresting every illegal, it isn't necessary. When the INS began enforcing the law out here in just one city the results were obvious. They will return to their country if the law is being enforced.

Illegals are coming here because they know that currently there is no intention of enforcing the law. There is in effect no border control, and they stand an excellent chance of being rewarded with amnesty for breaking the law. It's the policy you advocate that has developed into an enormous problem in the Southwest. And it will spread to your part of the country. Perhaps when English is optional in your little State you'll appreciate that you didn't know what you were encouraging.

173 posted on 10/08/2005 10:23:11 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: txrangerette

"Bush is one of the better Presidents we have ever had."

For foreign policy I agree wholeheartedly.

For domestic policy it is a very mixed bag at best. The entire gun control thing appears to have died for the moment, and some judges are being appointed by him to various federal courts. He likes to cut taxes, though the other side of that equation has completely eluded him.

On the other hand, he shows NO will to put any brakes on congressional spending. He likes new government programs that will cost hundreds of billions eventually.

I think the spending issue is the killer. Increasing the federal debt 30% already is not acceptable. I would rather have clinton-level taxes and clinton-level gridlock on spending.


174 posted on 10/08/2005 10:27:15 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: neverdem
[Bush voters say nation going in wrong direction]



The funny part of this is the reaction the Democrats have to this. They think it means Joe and Jane Voter are moving to the Left and Democrats will be back in business raising taxes, growing the government, and letting the UN decide our fate in the world.

This "poll" only reflects a lessening of support for Bush from his base who correctly perceive that he's more moderate (and less conservative) than they first thought.

The Democrats have a huge political opportunity to cash in on the present "Republican disunity", but they need to modernize their agenda in order to do that.

But with intellectual dinosaurs like Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean running the party and being supported by the nincompoops over at the DUnderhead and CantMoveOn sites it isn't going to happen.
175 posted on 10/08/2005 10:28:21 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: A.Hun

"I agree that I would like to see a fix for illegal immigration and the federal spending. I just don't see where he has much chance of doing much on either one."

On the first, he has gone out of his way to indicate that his fix is to make the illegals legal. BushGov WANTS increased population by immigrants. The state of the southern border the last 4 years, despite the patriot act, the TSA, and other stuff used to keep track of citizens, is a clear indication that he is on the other team.

As far as spending, he never saw a spending bill he didn't like.


176 posted on 10/08/2005 10:32:22 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Pelham

Wait a second, thats a cheap shot. We've already had the debate locally on bilingualism, etc. Latins have flocked to our area for the new home construction particularly.

Don't feel like the "Lone Ranger". This is a problem everywhere. Sure you got it worse than we do. But if I'm not mistaken, your dumb*ss state wouldn't let the INS do sweeps in the outskirts of San Diego(?).

California is gonna have to save itself. You get your legislature on board with closing the border, then bitch at the President.


177 posted on 10/08/2005 10:34:25 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: DTogo
Exactly. Miers is not exactly high on my list, either. From a sheer partisan political outcomes standpoint, Immigration and Energy Costs (namely the toll they will take on the economy) are of far greater concern to the GOP for the next one or two election cycles.
178 posted on 10/08/2005 10:43:29 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: WoofDog123
As far as spending, he never saw a spending bill he didn't like

He never saw a spending bill he was willing to fight. Big difference. The Republicans control the Congress. They are spending what they want to.

On illegal immigration, he wants illegals identified, the heck with whether they are made remain illegal or not.

It is a question in my mind of doing something or nothing. At least he is trying to do something.

For goodness sakes, the Senate just voted overwhelmingly to put more restrictions on the military guidelines for treatment of prisoners!

These guys couldn't pass conservative gas.

179 posted on 10/08/2005 10:44:05 PM PDT by A.Hun
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To: A.Hun
Remember BT, we are a republic, not a monarchy

Yes but there is NO movement towards border control from the Bush administration, and in fact the opposite is occuring. The Miers nomination has added to the chagrin of the conservative base that is already feeling ignored on important issues such as border control and spending. My point is that whether or not Congress would pass a border bill is moot when the Administration is not in favor of it in the first place.
180 posted on 10/08/2005 10:44:30 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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