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Long an outlet for the GOP message, talk radio undergoes a shift
Yahoo and Knight Ridder News ^ | October 6, 2005 | Steven Thomma

Posted on 10/08/2005 6:50:27 AM PDT by SIRTRIS

WASHINGTON - When the White House wanted to talk to its political base about a Supreme Court nominee this week, there was no doubt where to go: talk radio.

Vice President Dick Cheney took the administration's case to the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity programs, speaking simultaneously to the normally sympathetic hosts and their audiences of like-minded Republicans.

A decade after Republicans credited Limbaugh with helping them win control of Congress - they called him the Majority Maker - they still look to his conservative-dominated medium for a lopsided communications edge over Democrats. Today, they count on talk radio to rally support for President Bush, attack those who criticize or question him, and stir passions leading into the 2006 midterm congressional elections.

There are signs that the Republicans could be losing some of their overwhelming edge, however. Ratings for Limbaugh and Hannity slipped this spring in some markets. Liberals such as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Al Franken are carving out their own radio niche. And Democrats argue that they have an edge on the Internet, where explosive growth could dwarf the political impact of radio.

Some of that could be just wishful thinking by Democrats. The slip in ratings, for example, could be a normal drop in political interest after an election year. They also could be untrue - radio ratings are difficult to measure. And even if Limbaugh and Hannity have fewer listeners than they did in the past, they still have millions more than liberal talk show hosts.

"We're not there yet," Franken said in an interview.

"My numbers are going up, and theirs are going down. But if I have a million and half people listening to me, that's still just one-tenth of Rush's audience."

Like most people in and around radio, Franken credited Limbaugh's personal talents for creating the genre of conservative talk radio in the late 1980s and dominating it ever since.

"He's very talented, I'll give him that," Franken said. "He's a good storyteller. He's good at framing an issue, whether honest or not. ... He's very good at kicking dust up in the air so you don't see the crap on the ground. It's an evil talent. But he's talented."

Yet Limbaugh, who didn't respond to a request for an interview, lost ground this year in several markets.

Limbaugh lost 30 percent of his audience in Minneapolis-St. Paul this spring from a year earlier. He also lost 9 percent in Miami and 7 percent in Kansas City, Mo. He did have gains in some smaller markets, however, including Charlotte, N.C., and Fort Wayne, Ind.

Some of the loss can be attributed to listeners tuning out after an election year. But they also might be growing weary of the Limbaugh and Hannity format.

"They're pretty much talking about the same thing every day," said Holland Cooke, a Cleveland-based radio industry consultant who said the hosts tend to talk about the same subjects and interview the same guests over and over.

"Last week, Sean Hannity had Newt Gingrich coming on. I've already heard that show. Then he said he had Ann Coulter coming on. I've already heard that show. It's a rerun. You already know what he's going to say."

The 40-somethings with their hands on the driving wheel and money in their pockets - prime radio audience targets - are more likely to listen to news about gas prices than the Supreme Court and more interested in new approaches to their lives than old opinions of politics, Cooke said.

"Most political talk stations (ratings) are down over last fall, conservative or not," added Tom Taylor, editor of Inside Radio, an industry publication owned by Clear Channel Radio. "You can surmise that people are a little burned out on the partisan back and forth. Culturally, this may not be a time when political talk sells."

Democrats insist they have some radio outlets that help them take their case to targeted audiences. Bill Clinton and Al Gore, for example, spent as much time courting urban radio host Tom Joyner as they did television network anchormen, said former Gore aide Chris Lehane.

And they think they can reach more people through the Internet than Republicans. Internet users are younger and more independent-minded than radio listeners and more open to the Democratic message, Lehane said. Democrats Howard Dean and John Kerry showed in their 2004 presidential campaigns that they could reach and organize millions of people through the Internet.

Yet if the communications of politics is changing, it hasn't changed that much yet.

Limbaugh still has about 14.75 million listeners, according to Talkers Magazine. Hannity has about 13 million.

Even the most successful liberal hosts, such as Schultz, Miller and Franken, don't come close yet. None made the top 30 talk radio shows as ranked by Talkers Magazine.


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To: SIRTRIS
Liberals such as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Al Franken are carving out their own radio niche.

It's not quite a "niche". It's more like they dug a hole, hit bottom, and kept right on digging.

81 posted on 10/08/2005 8:25:16 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Fresh Wind
In Rush's heyday, there were plenty of conservative talkers. Matter of fact, conservative talk radio was at it's hottest in the mid to late 90's, Monica time. But it has leveled off. One problem is there is some unease with what's happening, even with control of the White House and Congress that was supposed to go away with Republican control of those institutions. It's better in some cases, but the problems are still there and in some cases growing. Mier isn't the first thing President Bush has done to upset the base. But until this time, the base has been more forgiving. This time, it has and it's been brewing for sometime. Mier just let it spill over. Secondly, many people bit their tongue because we were at war and there was an elections. That's past.

I know a lot of former talk radio listners that are listening to sports talk, books on tape and other things to divert time behind the wheel. Even some have transitioned to NPR outlets. They hate the tilt, but the are tired of the spin by the right for the right.

82 posted on 10/08/2005 8:26:46 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SIRTRIS
"My numbers are going up, and theirs are going down. But if I have a million and half people listening to me, that's still just one-tenth of Rush's audience."

Dream on, Boob. If more people are listening, why do you keep losing markets and have to resort to diverted funds from Boys and Girls clubs..?

83 posted on 10/08/2005 8:27:06 AM PDT by cardinal4 (No more catchy taglines-The Left just plain sucks...)
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To: joesbucks

>The fact remains at one time Limbaugh could boast 20 million. Now just 14.75???? Where did they go?<

They're probably surfing the web, reading Free Republic and other conservative web sites.


84 posted on 10/08/2005 8:27:31 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: TheGeezer

Air America was also dropped here in Providence, Rhode Island! That's right AA couldn't hang in the bluest of the blue states, home to Brown University and countless crusty burned out 60's leftovers. Franken was replaced by some local chick who spent a few days on the show Survivor. Teeheehee


85 posted on 10/08/2005 8:27:44 AM PDT by got_moab? (got_moab? now comes complete with 50% MORE Hyperconservatism!!)
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To: varmintxer
I was saying that 14 mil for Rush and 13 mil for SH does not add up to 27 mil.

Then we're on the same page.

86 posted on 10/08/2005 8:27:50 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Ah - don't forget - wacko liberals are always put up as "experts" on TV and in print. They are never identified as liberal.


87 posted on 10/08/2005 8:28:36 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: joesbucks
But hannity doesn't compete head on with Rush. Also, Rush's pinacle was in the mid to late 90's, still the Clinton era. Still plent of conservative folks on the air then too. It was the mecca of conseravtive talk radio.

If a show draws 10 listerners and the next show draws another 5 listerners, the true total of listeners is 15, even if the listeners of the latter show are carryovers from the first show. But, there is no exact way of determining if the audience for Hannity are the same as Rush's. There might be duplication of listeners but there will certainly be unique listeners to each program. The same would apply to the liberal audiences for liberal talk shows, even as miniscule as those audiences are.
88 posted on 10/08/2005 8:28:43 AM PDT by adorno
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To: MNJohnnie

You haven't explain the drop in audience for 1280?


89 posted on 10/08/2005 8:28:57 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SIRTRIS; satchmodog9; Minnesocold; NewHampshireDuo; Prophet in the wilderness; paudio; Bigh4u2; ...

Hircus Emissarius

Plato’s Apology is a drama that portrays the current Left wing frustration with talk radio in America. The people of Athens (the Left) are demanding that Socrates (Rush) be silent. Socrates refuses and the elite of Athens demands the execution of Socrates. The modern Left wants a figurative execution of Rush Limbaugh and others like him (although ‘figurative’ would quickly become tangible, if the Left ever had the unchecked power they desire, just as it was with Socrates). In terms of this ‘figurative execution’, the cancellation of the Michael Savage and Dr. Laura Schlesinger television shows are perfect examples!

Radio is the focus of only one of the five senses. A listener has to really tune in to the subject matter and focus on the content of the ideas - - one reason, among others, why so-called "liberal" talk radio has been and is a failure in the free market. Notice how most of them like "public radio."

Television is a combination of sensory focus and it is far easier to distract and misdirect viewer attention from essential topics presented.

Considering that 90% of people tend to be more influenced by the visual, television has become a new religion. It is analogous to Plato’s cave allegory and the pagan Oracle of Delphi. Television as a propaganda tool helps create visual phantasms or fantastical images of the brain.

There are three ways people are influenced according to the school of behavioral psychology - - visual (sight), auditory (sound), kinesthetic (emotion). The kinesthetic or ‘feeling’ is also based on olfactory and tactile sense, just like Pavlov’s salivating dogs.

Visual images and sound portrayed can be used to anchor emotional and/or conditioned responses desired by those that present them, which in the case of television, is the Leftist television media, actors who create phantastical images in film, and Leftist politicians who pander to ‘symbolism over substance (like Rush Limbaugh always says about them).

The print media somewhat also uses the visual aspects of that phenomenon. Interactive talk radio requires thought; television does not and relies on this as a means to influence viewers. One should also notice the emphasis on interactive talk radio, something "public radio" is careful to avoid; unlike most commercial talk radio programming.

Part of this is the promotion of "public radio." The government funded NPR and other "public radio" non-profit Leftist garbage is not making it. While I am not enamored with some of the canned music formats of much commercial radio, I am no fan of the Leftist non-profit NPR-like stations that play third world, grass skirt, bone-in-the-nose pagan voodoo music either, with the touchy-feely, multi-cultural, anti-USA Leftist commentary of the hosts. These insipid people actually think they are clever with the sedate, monotone presentations (neuro-linguistic programming).

[Observe when in public places, at your workplace or in other community activities (i.e., restaurants, retail stores, gas stations, etc.) the pervasive presence of some exposure to music or television. This is because many people are actually terrified of being alone with their own thoughts or at the prospect of it (neuro-linguistic programming).

Try an experiment, turn radios off at work, request as a customer patronizing private businesses that music or television is unplugged so you can have some personal tranquility with your family, friends, associates, etc. You will find a great resistance, even hostility to such a request. Ask yourself why, then consider what thoughts such people have they are so afraid of, if they are capable of or desire to have any of their own.]

Also part of this is the loss of broadcasting licenses by "public radio" stations to a company that is buying licenses to broadcast Christian programming. This is pushing many Leftist public radio stations off the air. There is more to this issue than most people realize and it is not exclusive to the attack on talk radio. The recent moves to prevent more deregulation of FCC broadcasting and ownership rules in the Congress are the latest Leftist attempts to kill free speech.

90 posted on 10/08/2005 8:29:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: SIRTRIS
Ratings for Limbaugh and Hannity slipped this spring in some markets.

Look at the calendar. It's 2005 which is not an election year. His Limbaugh's audience will set new records in 2008.

91 posted on 10/08/2005 8:32:25 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: SIRTRIS
Some of that could be just wishful thinking by Democrats

Some of that could be is just wishful thinking by Democrats

92 posted on 10/08/2005 8:36:08 AM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: adorno

What the article is saying, is for whatever reason, and there are plenty, at one time both Rush and Hannity had more listeners. Today they have fewer. People do have other choices including just simply no longer listening. Some have gone to other conservtive shows, some listen to sports talk, some have returned to music or ipod or satetllite or simply don't listen to the radio as often as they once did. The fact is, the conservative talk radio has fewer listeners that it did last fall and for that matter 7 or 8 years ago. But growth has occurred in lib radio. It's seems to be petering out, but there has been some growth.


93 posted on 10/08/2005 8:36:48 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Baynative
"Liberals such as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Al Franken are carving out their own radio niche."

...their response from the masses?..."cricket cricket".. and the occasional, "hey, where's my money?"

Doogle

94 posted on 10/08/2005 8:37:22 AM PDT by Doogle (8th AF...4077thTFW....408thMMS....Ubon Thailand "69"..Night Line Delivery ..AMMO)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I still remember back in the 90's were Hillary and her leftist in the government were trying to pass legislation to " HUSH RUSH " ... and IF they were to get back in power again, we can be assured that they will try it again.
95 posted on 10/08/2005 8:48:33 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: SIRTRIS

This article repeats the same liberal wet dream that gave us West Wing and Commander in Chief. If only the real world was different, THEN the liberal message would resonate with people! The truth: conservatives mastered the web long ago, while the Left was busy running their MSM monopoly; talk radio gained strength , bubbled up slowly into a conservative oasis from lies over 20 years time; cable television eroded the Big3 lock on viewership that we remember.

This article reads like so many others: the frantic desperation of the Old Gray Guard as their once-smirky grip on the debate grows sweaty and weakens. In the old days, merely SAYING that conservative talk radio was losing ground would have made it so in public perception. No more.

Dr. Freud, your slip is showing.


96 posted on 10/08/2005 8:51:48 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: dogbyte12; Matchett-PI
"I think Rush is starting to grow old. There are people who don't want to hear about golf and the NFL."

Why this urban myth is perpetuated is beyond me. As an almost "professional" Rush listener for well over a decade, I fail to see why this golf and NFL garbage is still bandied about as contemporary truth.

While Rush touched on these topics quite a bit during his few early years, he dropped doing it almost to a non-existent point. Now when he discusses golf, it's to mention a charity golf affair he's going to or had just participated in. Plus, if you notice, he mentions the NFL and upcoming games mostly at the end of each Open Line Friday show during football season. Rush knows his football, and it's fun to get his few inside comments on the upcoming Sunday games.

If a listener faults Rush for something he hasn't done in ages.......or if a listener can't take a few minutes of interesting sports news from him once in a while, I recommend banishment to the minors (listening to Allah Bin Air America) as a well-deserved penalty for roughing the quarterback.

Leni

97 posted on 10/08/2005 9:01:43 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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To: SIRTRIS

This is the most one-sided, biased story, even for yahoo news.


98 posted on 10/08/2005 9:08:31 AM PDT by SC33
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To: RasterMaster

I am listening to Rush's Friday show now {on 24/7}, I can get the whole show in 2 hours and no annoying commercials. If I need to get a coffee or go to the head, no problem, and no missed segments. I don't know how many people have Rush's 24/7 but the number is significant.


99 posted on 10/08/2005 9:18:08 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: USS Alaska

Charter 24/7 member here! We know those numbers don't enter into the equasion when they try to make a feeble attempt to state that listeners are going to Err America. Is the leftie Al Franken the same guy who did Stuart Smalley on SNL (like anyone would take him seriously!)?


100 posted on 10/08/2005 9:28:56 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade - Merry MOOSEMUSS!)
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