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Long an outlet for the GOP message, talk radio undergoes a shift
Yahoo and Knight Ridder News ^ | October 6, 2005 | Steven Thomma

Posted on 10/08/2005 6:50:27 AM PDT by SIRTRIS

WASHINGTON - When the White House wanted to talk to its political base about a Supreme Court nominee this week, there was no doubt where to go: talk radio.

Vice President Dick Cheney took the administration's case to the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity programs, speaking simultaneously to the normally sympathetic hosts and their audiences of like-minded Republicans.

A decade after Republicans credited Limbaugh with helping them win control of Congress - they called him the Majority Maker - they still look to his conservative-dominated medium for a lopsided communications edge over Democrats. Today, they count on talk radio to rally support for President Bush, attack those who criticize or question him, and stir passions leading into the 2006 midterm congressional elections.

There are signs that the Republicans could be losing some of their overwhelming edge, however. Ratings for Limbaugh and Hannity slipped this spring in some markets. Liberals such as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Al Franken are carving out their own radio niche. And Democrats argue that they have an edge on the Internet, where explosive growth could dwarf the political impact of radio.

Some of that could be just wishful thinking by Democrats. The slip in ratings, for example, could be a normal drop in political interest after an election year. They also could be untrue - radio ratings are difficult to measure. And even if Limbaugh and Hannity have fewer listeners than they did in the past, they still have millions more than liberal talk show hosts.

"We're not there yet," Franken said in an interview.

"My numbers are going up, and theirs are going down. But if I have a million and half people listening to me, that's still just one-tenth of Rush's audience."

Like most people in and around radio, Franken credited Limbaugh's personal talents for creating the genre of conservative talk radio in the late 1980s and dominating it ever since.

"He's very talented, I'll give him that," Franken said. "He's a good storyteller. He's good at framing an issue, whether honest or not. ... He's very good at kicking dust up in the air so you don't see the crap on the ground. It's an evil talent. But he's talented."

Yet Limbaugh, who didn't respond to a request for an interview, lost ground this year in several markets.

Limbaugh lost 30 percent of his audience in Minneapolis-St. Paul this spring from a year earlier. He also lost 9 percent in Miami and 7 percent in Kansas City, Mo. He did have gains in some smaller markets, however, including Charlotte, N.C., and Fort Wayne, Ind.

Some of the loss can be attributed to listeners tuning out after an election year. But they also might be growing weary of the Limbaugh and Hannity format.

"They're pretty much talking about the same thing every day," said Holland Cooke, a Cleveland-based radio industry consultant who said the hosts tend to talk about the same subjects and interview the same guests over and over.

"Last week, Sean Hannity had Newt Gingrich coming on. I've already heard that show. Then he said he had Ann Coulter coming on. I've already heard that show. It's a rerun. You already know what he's going to say."

The 40-somethings with their hands on the driving wheel and money in their pockets - prime radio audience targets - are more likely to listen to news about gas prices than the Supreme Court and more interested in new approaches to their lives than old opinions of politics, Cooke said.

"Most political talk stations (ratings) are down over last fall, conservative or not," added Tom Taylor, editor of Inside Radio, an industry publication owned by Clear Channel Radio. "You can surmise that people are a little burned out on the partisan back and forth. Culturally, this may not be a time when political talk sells."

Democrats insist they have some radio outlets that help them take their case to targeted audiences. Bill Clinton and Al Gore, for example, spent as much time courting urban radio host Tom Joyner as they did television network anchormen, said former Gore aide Chris Lehane.

And they think they can reach more people through the Internet than Republicans. Internet users are younger and more independent-minded than radio listeners and more open to the Democratic message, Lehane said. Democrats Howard Dean and John Kerry showed in their 2004 presidential campaigns that they could reach and organize millions of people through the Internet.

Yet if the communications of politics is changing, it hasn't changed that much yet.

Limbaugh still has about 14.75 million listeners, according to Talkers Magazine. Hannity has about 13 million.

Even the most successful liberal hosts, such as Schultz, Miller and Franken, don't come close yet. None made the top 30 talk radio shows as ranked by Talkers Magazine.


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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Plato's writings on Atlantis were the eternal punishment issued by his brilliance on the posterity of those who killed his teacher.

The leftists in mind believe in Atlantis and still search for its remnants to this day. Countless people have wasted their lives, educations and intellect's in search of nothing but the reality of the base ignorance that molded their young minds into neurosis. They will continue the search, and they will waste their minds as their forbearer's wasted Socrates.

Atlantis is the place where Socrates would have prospered, it is a fictional representation of the potential world the Athenian's destroyed; in its stead creating the one these leftists still inhabit. The left is subject to neurosis, Plato knew this in his day and reaches out from his grave to destroy the destroyers of civilizations.
101 posted on 10/08/2005 9:35:28 AM PDT by mmercier (choosing my confessions)
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To: MinuteGal; dogbyte12; oldglory; sheikdetailfeather; blackie; RushCrush
""I think Rush is starting to grow old. There are people who don't want to hear about golf and the NFL." ~ dogbyte12

"Why this urban myth is perpetuated is beyond me. As an almost "professional" Rush listener for well over a decade, I fail to see why this golf and NFL garbage is still bandied about as contemporary truth" ~ MinuteGal

Bottom line is the fact that Rush refuses to carry the water for the extremist, boring one-note-sambas (on the right and on the left) no matter how hard they bombard him with their agenda demands about what they think he should be talking about.

They become IRATE when they can't manipulate him into allowing them access to the largest radio audience anywhere to get "their message out" the way they are able to manipulate talk show hosts that aren't nearly as popular.

I've been a daily listener to Rush since the first day I ever heard his program around 1990. I listen to him because he's upbeat, optimistic, and funny. He talks about the stuff that interests "HIM", and he usually has a unique "take" on the events of the day. Most of the time the stuff that interests him, interests "ME". He's #1 in talk radio, so that says it all. He's a target for the jealous.

102 posted on 10/08/2005 10:23:27 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Matchett-PI
Brava!

Rush is a national pleasure as much as a national treasure.

Leni

103 posted on 10/08/2005 10:45:57 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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To: SIRTRIS

Don't you just love the headlines for these stories?!?!?

I realize Yahoo's "In The News" headline space is limited, but the clickable headline that caught my eye regarding this story was a bit different from this one, and implied that the GOP was REALLY losing their ability to influence through the use of talk radio. You'd have thought that Rush and Hannity,et al, were about ready to turn off their mikes and call it a day. lol.

It's obvious there is no real story here...only the desire on the part of the authors, and others, to plant the seeds of curiosity about other radio hosts and help build an interest, and perhaps an audience.


104 posted on 10/08/2005 11:19:37 AM PDT by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: Matchett-PI

Good post.

I've been listening to Rush since '88. I listen to him for his excellent analysis of issues, and events, that affect this country. Nobody is more consistently good at it, or right about it, on radio, or anywhere else,imo.

The fact that Rush is "a lovable little fuzz ball", and is smart, articulate, funny, entertaining, and incorporates all of these things "with talent on loan from God" is a delightful, and enjoyable, bonus.

I just love,respect, and appreciate, the man so much for everything he has done, and is doing, to educate and inform his listeners about things that are vital to the preservation of our liberty. He is an educator, a motivator, a patriot, and a national treasure.


105 posted on 10/08/2005 11:50:49 AM PDT by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: LucyJo

I know, couldn't agree more!


106 posted on 10/08/2005 12:37:24 PM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: joesbucks

I am one of the formerly loyal listerners. I rarely listen because I don't learn much from his show, plus my job tasks have increased to the point that he'd be distracting.


107 posted on 10/08/2005 3:21:11 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Criminal Number 18F

That little hag was fired from WLS in Chicago for plugging her political campaign on the air. I was so glad Ski and Skinner went away, they really used to bum out my weekends.


108 posted on 10/08/2005 3:22:16 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Free choice is not what it seems)
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To: SC33
even for yahoo news

Yes, Yahoo News, that won the bidding war for Kevin Sites who spent enough time with a marine unit that he could get a piece of video he could use to advance his career, while supporting their enemies and getting some Marines thrown in jail, and others killed.

Yes, that back-stabbing Judas, and that yahoo news.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

109 posted on 10/08/2005 3:26:57 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (The only problem with "the targeting of newsmen" is, it's NOT true.)
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To: Meldrim
To a point, I'm in the same position. I used to listen daily, now it's only periodically and when I know a hot button issue will be discussed.

But two things were becoming apparent. One was Rush would be on one side of an issue and then suddenly morph to the Bush decision or defending the Bush decision. It clearly became less about ideology and more about being a spinner.

The second is related. I've noticed more and more he's framing issues with outs for himself. Listening over the past week to the Miers debate, he's set himself up to be right. IF Ms. Miers is a joke, he's set himself up with her choice was made from a position of weakness. If she's a great pick, he's done the same for chastizing those who are using her lack of credentials compared to other "frontrunners" an issue. He can claim he defended her choice if she's great or he pointed out that she was a choice from weakness and that's why the pick was a failure if she tanks.

110 posted on 10/08/2005 3:35:46 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Criminal Number 18F


This is good stuff.

Someone should write the editor and point out that thye story is so flawed that it is a complete piece of garbage.


111 posted on 10/09/2005 10:02:28 AM PDT by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: Matchett-PI; MinuteGal; sheikdetailfeather

Rush Rules---!!

His intelligence,wit,optimism and uncanny ability to disect the news--
----and relay, HIS unique "take"---is un-matched in talk radio!

God Bless Rush!!


112 posted on 10/09/2005 3:12:24 PM PDT by oldglory
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